Shocking. These animals must be stopped.

I would also suggest you take this to the press. (OC Register, LA Times)

Since I left for class right after Ali's speech and questions, i unfortunately did not witness the above events.

However, if the description of the event is accurate, I would recommend the following:

The victim and witness should go to the campus police and insist of filing a complaint. If any faculty or deans witnessed anything, supply their names and demand the police take statements.

If that is unsuccessful go to Irvine Police-and file a complaint

After that, there is also OC Sheriff's Dept

If no local police authority is willing to investigate, go to the FBI in Santa Ana. There may be a federal civil rights violation involved.

And as I suggested before, let the public know through the press.

gary fouse

Since I left for class right after Ali's speech and questions, i unfortunately did not witness the above events.

However, if the description of the event is accurate, I would recommend the following:

The victim and witness should go to the campus police and insist of filing a complaint. If any faculty or deans witnessed anything, supply their names and demand the police take statements.

If that is unsuccessful go to Irvine Police-and file a complaint

After that, there is also OC Sheriff's Dept

If no local police authority is willing to investigate, go to the FBI in Santa Ana. There may be a federal civil rights violation involved.

And as I suggested before, let the public know through the press.

gary fouse

It CAN happen here.

university police departments are useless. Theyre there for ticket revenue and party busting.

Jonathan - Just to get this straight, you're talking about the UCI Police (acting badly), not City of Irvine Police?

Irvine PD has area policing. The UCI area is covered by the "University Area": http://www.cityofirvine.org/ipd/geo/university.asp
The Area Commander is Jeff Noble (se phone no. and email).
I'd report it to Irvine PD, to get it on record.

Mike,

I tried to get a dispatch form IPD regarding a similar incident.....they said it was out of their jurisdiction.

Whoever told me I was wasting my time writing to the OC Human Relations Office was right. Below is my email to Rusty Kennedy, Director, and his nasty response to me.

I have sent a final response to him and attached the Red County report of the incident Thursday night.

Dear Mr. Fouse
Thank you for sharing your perspective on the issues pertaining to UCI and the state of Jewish/Muslim/Arab relations there.
The OC Human Relations Commission has been deeply involved at the
request of the UCI administration, students, faculty and community
groups for many years on campus seeking to build a safe, inclusive
community where bigotry is frowned upon.

In our years of experience at UCI we have attended the events of all of
the sides in this struggle to inform our perspective. We have engaged
in conversations, dialogues, discussions and disagreements with all
sides.
We also carry this work out on other college campuses in Orange County
where similar issues arise.

Additionally since our inception in 1971 we have provided comprehensive
intergroup relations and tolerance teaching programs that reach over
40,000 students in OC schools annually. We founded in 1991 and have
hosted regular meetings/trainings since then of the Hate Crime Network a
broad based community/law enforcement network dedicated to building a
community wide collaboration at responding to and preventing hate crimes
and incidents. We conduct police and community trainings, forums,
leadership development programs and dialogues to build understanding
between diverse communities that make up Orange County.

Where I agree with you in some of your characterizations of hate mongers
who have spoken in OC and at UCI, and regularly speak up to condemn this
bigotry, I take strong exception to your comments about UCI and
particularly your insulting, demeaning and inaccurate statements about
the administration.

In our extensive experience with the UCI administration we have never
heard any of them address the concerns that you outline, (and I think
they all share) with anything but appropriate concern. And we have
never heard them calling those community members who speak out on this,
Jewish and others, anything derogatory. In fact, I have seen them time
and again address even the most passing comments of hate, bigotry or
fear as absolutely top priority, seeking to document, investigate and
appropriately respond.

I do not know what you have done to address the bigotry that exists in
our community, on campus and across our country, but I have seen the
extraordinary steps taken by UCI administration, from the Chancellor, to
the Vice-Chancellor, to the Dean of Students, on down through the ranks
to condemn bigotry, respond decisively to hate crime, and to set a
community standard that works to discourage hate.

I see that you go on with statements like, "the leadership of this
university clearly has no concern for the concerns of Jewish students".
Rather than respond to this unfair comment I will let the Jewish
students speak for themselves as to the lack of veracity of your claim.

You report that you are risking your job to speak up for what is right,
this is a noble act.
I would hope that you would be more thoughtful about your accusations
and hostility to well meaning efforts; more constructive in your
engagement; more mindful of the impact of your diatribe; if indeed you
seek to do what is right.

Sincerely
rusty


Rusty Kennedy, Executive Director
Orange County Human Relations Commission
1300 S. Grand, Bldg B
Santa Ana, CA 92705
714-567-7470
fax 714-567-7474
www.ochumanrelations.org

MISSION: Fostering mutual understanding among residents and eliminating
prejudice, intolerance and discrimination in order to make Orange County
a better place for ALL people to live, work and do business.

-----Original Message-----
From: gfouse@cox.net [gfouse@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:32 PM
To: Kennedy, Rusty
Subject: Anti-Semitism at UCI

Dear Mr Kennedy,

My name is Gary Fouse, and I am an adjunct teacher at UCI-Ext (ESL). I
have been in that position since 1998 (subsequent to my retirement from
the Drug Enforcement Administration. I am writing to you per the
suggestion of Dr Brian Levin, CSUSB to give you my perspective as a
teacher at UCI regarding the quarterly events hosted by the Muslim
Student Union on our campus.

Recently, I have heard that various figures in the university
administration have described critics of the MSU events and their
speakers as "hysterical Jews", "troublemakers, "outside groups", etc.

I am neither a "hysterical Jew" (I am not even Jewish) nor am I an
outsider. I have seen and heard what is happening for several years. I
can tell you:

1 The claims of hate speech made by Jewish students are justified. When
one listens to the words of Amir Abdel Malik Ali, Abdel Musa, Mohammed
Al-Asi, we hear them call for the destruction of Israel, glorify
suicide bombers as heroes and martyrs, rail about "Zionist Jews", call
for the destruction of the Jewish state, defend Hizbollah and Hamas,
condemn America, call Jews, "lowlife ghetto-dwellers" (Al-Asi) on and on
and on.

This past week, the "Wall" erected by the MSU had a characterture of
Ariel Sharon, drawn with a hooked nose and oversized lips, exactly in
the style of Julius Streicher's, Der Stuermer, the virulent, anti-Jewish
newspaper of the Nazi era. How was this allowed to appear on a
university campus?

Also this week, during Al-Asi's speech in front of the flagpoles, while
he was spouting his racist rhetoric, a group of about 20-30 small
schoolchildren were gathered yards away by their bus listening to this
man's vile words. Meanwhile, university deans (who are known to be
antagonistic toward the Jewish students' concerns, were scurrying around
like hall monitors, moving peaceful Jewish student protestors with their
"hate Speech" warning posters here and there and keeping walkways open
while ignoring the kids being exposed to this garbage.

2 The leadership of this university clearly has no concern for the
concerns of Jewish students. They have dismissed numerous complaints and
shown every indication that they are more sympathetic to the MSU and
their inciteful speakers. This past week, David Horowitz, in his talk at
UCI, described UCI as the worst university campus in the nation when it
comes to MSU radicalism. There were two deans in the audience, one of
whom took copius notes on her laptop, yet none of them even attempted to
defend the university in the question and answer session. When I told Mr
Horowitz that 99% of the students at UCI were not involved in this
ugliness, I told him that we had 2 problems: the MSU and an
administration that is hiding under their desks, either out of fear,
apathy or they just don't care about their Jewish students. They did not
respond to me either.

They can't.

Why is it that hundreds turn out to hear and applaud the words of
Hamas/Hizbollah, Iran supporter, Norman Finklestein including numerous
deans and faculty, but only 20 come to hear Nonie Darwish, a courageous
woman who has left Islam, condemned terror and defended the US and
Israel? I was the only faculty member present (and I am only a
part-timer). No deans (except one pacing outside the hallway who could
not bring himself in to hear Ms Darwish's words) were present.

Sir, as a part-time teacher, who has no tenure nor long-term contract, I
am fully aware that what I am doing and saying jeopardizes my continued
employment at UCI. They don't even have to fire me-just tell me they
have no available classes for me next quarter. I am willing to accept
those consequences to stand up for what is right.

This is not about free speech. It is about inciteful speech. If this
situation is not addressed, someday there will be a tragedy on the
campus, and everyone will be wringing their hands wondering how it could
happen at UCI. I won't be wondering.

I thank you for your attention, and you may feel free to share this letter with whomever you deem appropriate.

Sincerely,

Gary Fouse
Adjunct teacher
UCI-Ext-ESL

Rusty is another empty suit bureaucrat who hides under his desk and collects a salary.

Below is my response to Rusty Kennedy, along with a copy of the Red County report of the Thursday night incident.

Dear Mr Kennedy,

I am sorry that you took offense to my email. You probably think that I am some radical "bomb thrower". I am neither. I am retired from law enforcement (DEA). As such, I know a volatile situation when I see it, and I have seen it for several years at UCI. What I am is a concerned citizen simply reaching out to those who should be concerned about hate speech on a university campus.

I will not engage in further debate with you on the performance of the UCI Administration. I have expressed my opinion, and you have expressed yours. I will stand by what I said.

I should state that I was warned that writing to your office was a waste of time, and I won't take up any more of your valuable time. I would, however, like to attach a posting from this morning's Red County blog about an incident that reportedly happened at UCI last Thursday night. I have no personal
knowledge and cannot vouch for it, but I will attach it forwhatever inquiry you may deem appropriate. It makes reference to the response of the university, in
this case, the campus police.


"UCI PD Allow Muslim Students to Attack Jewish Woman



The attacks from MSU members continued after Amir Abdel Malik-Ali's evening
lecture. According to a member of the Orange County community who witnessed the
event, a young Jewish female who was filming the event was followed back to her
car and surrounded by 6 male members of the Muslim Student Union. When officers
from the UCI Police Department arrived at the scene, they stood idly by and
watched as the Muslim students began to assail the witness. When the witness
(turned victim) called the police department for answers, they explained that
the MSU members were just "getting back at the Jews:"


"On Thursday May15, 2008 I went to the UCI campus to hear a talk: Death to
Apartheid, A Farewell to Zionism. Since much of my life was spent fighting the
apartheid system in my native country of South Africa, I was interested to hear
speakers who probably had not personally lived through that time. I noticed that
there were many people filming the speaker's presentation. Afterwards, I walked
to my car in the university underground parking. I noticed a young woman
standing backed up against her car. She was surrounded by at least 6 males who
appeared to be of university age. There was an additional young man who appeared
to be with the girl. She looked scared and I asked her if she was OK. She said
she had called 911. I have 4 children aged 22-30, and was very concerned for her
safety. I did notice she had a camera and that she was not engaged in talking
with the 6 males that had surrounded her and her car. I thought they wanted her
camera but she was not taking photos. She told me that they wanted to see the
license plate on her car. Since they were not the police, I thought this to be
very strange. I realized that they were trying to photograph her license plate.

I breathed a sigh of relief when the police arrived. I attempted to describe to
them the scene that I had just witnessed. The policeman replied sarcastically:
"good ---- do you feel better now that you got that off your chest". I was
shocked! My emotions had swung like a pendulum. From the initial fear at seeing
the young woman being harassed, to relief at the sight of the police, and now
back to fear, as I the realized that the arrival of the police would not provide
the protection that I had anticipated. At this point it occurred to me that
these were University of California, Irvine campus police. I know that police
are usually interested in a witness statement, and what I saw was intimidation
of two people in a parking lot who were outnumbered 3 to 1. To my amazement the
police refused to take a witness statement from me.

By asking the girl if she was OK, I had somehow become involved in this
altercation, and now my safety was in jeopardy. After the officer had expressed
his disinterest in my account, I turned to enter my car to head home. The patrol
car, though, was blocking my vehicle and preventing my exit. At this point
another woman came walking by. I was too afraid to speak, but welcomed seeing
another woman there. She said it was not safe to be there in the parking
structure and that I should try to get out. I showed her that I could not, since
my car was blocked. I asked if she was part of the university administration, as
I did not think she was a student. She said that she just happened to be walking
through the parking lot - I remembered thinking that it was strange that it was
after 10 pm and this is not a parking lot you just walk through. I shrugged off
my suspicions. The woman then told me that I could go to other "meetings" with
her. She described the meetings as the same as the ones held on campus, but at
different venues, such as hotels. At that minute the young boy who had been with
the girl student ran over to me and asked for my phone number. Simultaneously,
the police angrily shouted to him to get into his car.

After the woman left, I noticed that one of the "intimidators" was situated on
the hood of my car in an attempt to photograph the VIN number under the
windshield ( he lifted up the windshield wiper to get a better look at the
number). He glared at me in a way I will describe as intimidating and menacing.
Then he took photos of my car's license plate, and then snapped photos of me.
All the while the police officers were present and did absolutely nothing! I
asked for their card and told them that if anything were to happen to my person,
family or property, that I will hold them and the university responsible.

Once I arrived home, I called the Irvine police and old them what had happened.
I asked if it was reasonable for the police to not take a statement or to
protect me, and that was definitely not the protocol. It was recommended that I
speak to the watch commander. I was put through to them and a lady Lori said she
would call him. I told her my concern was about what I saw in the parking
garage. After awhile she said he was not available and she further informed me
of the following: the 2 people in the parking lot were Jewish and they had been
harassing the Muslim students on campus during the day, and the Muslim students
were simply getting back at them. I had not asked her what the incident was
about, but she volunteered that information. I told her that what I saw was two
people outnumbered and surrounded in the parking structure, and I was concerned
because the girl looked terrified. It was ludicrous to portray her as capable of
harassing anyone. I told her that I did not feel safe and that I was phoning to
report the lack of concern on the part of the police to take my eyewitness
account. They did nothing to assure that I got safely out of the parking
structure. I have reported this to the university and have been told that
someone would contact me. My complaint to the campus police has so far gone
unanswered, as well.

Even if the 2 Jewish students had in some way "wronged" the Muslim students
earlier that day, was it appropriate for the Muslim students to take things into
their own hands? Is vigilantism now acceptable and legal on University of
California campuses? The incident has left me struggling with many things. How
do the police come to a conclusion regarding this event, while refusing to take
a witness statement? If I was scared, how do students feel when confronted with
menacing behavior? If we can not depend on police officers to protect us and to
intervene in a tense situation, who can we depend on? What were they waiting for
- property damage or physical injury? Is the university administration and their
campus police in charge of maintaining law and order and a safe campus
environment? Or do they allow gangs of students to assume control of the campus
through intimidation?"


Thank you for your time and attention,

Gary Fouse

The people attacked should never call campus security or make a report with them. It will do no good. You should call 911 and get the real police involved.

Campus security work for the University and will not do anything. On the other hand, the real police have to get involved. Make reports, arrest the attackers.

Katie,

There is a problem, I tried to get real police dispatched during the daytime incidents, but they said it was outside their jurisdiction

Jonathan - That's interesting. So, I wonder if Irvine PD feels "non-political" assaults at UCI are out of their jurisdiction, too. I would like to hear an Irvine Police spokesman spell out exactly what they feel their "jurisdiction" is with regards to UCI. Gosh, I bet if Seung-Hui Cho was running around with an automatic they'd consider it their jurisdiction.

Well, there's not much chance to get any pressure on IPD from the "kumbayah" People's Republic majority on the City Council (Krom, Agran, and Kang), but I still think that Irvine PD has to be the route to go. Can't mess up our "Safe City" image. Actually, I wonder if there could be sympathetic ears at the Irvine Company (Bren?) as this doesn't help the Irvine Ranch Paradise image they so love to maintain (granted, I would expect they'd prefer to sweep it under the rug, but who knows there has to be somebody sympathetic at the Irvine Company who has some influence).

I'm probably just naive.

I'm curious. Did the 6 supposed MSU members do anything or say anything to these two people? Over and over they are described as attackers and the two jewish people as victims. In what way did they attack?

I believe anyone has the right to record your license plate, that's why it must be visable at all times. If that is all the were trying to do without threatening or touching anyone I don't see the problem?

The whole story is obviously not being explained. The whole story stinks of lies and exaggerations.

Who edits this?

They don't have a right to climb on someone's car though. And they did that!

They also don't have a right to circle around a person and demand that she move.

Males with the MSU gang up on a tiny Jewish girl... and demand to take a picture of her license. Afterwards they climb on top someone's car.

We're not in GAZA!

A student journalist who was merely filming on campus on Thursday last week as MSU MUSLIMAHS marched past was threatened with assault.

Give me a break, Dave.

Since I forwarded this account to Rusty Kennedy, Dir of OC Human Relations, it will be interesting to see his reaction since he told me in his nastygram that UCI is doing a hell of a job.

Gary,

Try copying the letter to the OC Board of supervisors. Rusty will most certainly blow this off again.

Perhaps this is a naive question, but has this incident, and others like it, been brought to the attention of the Regents or the (new) UC president?

I have reported it to the Director of the Orange County Human Relations Commission. His name is Rusty Kennedy. You might contact him and ask him if he plans to look into it.

(Tell him I sent you.-Just kidding!)

UCI Alum,

Here is the story as explained by the witness in the article:

"She was surrounded by at least 6 males who appeared to be of university age. There was an additional young man who appeared to be with the girl. She looked scared and I asked her if she was OK. She said she had called 911. I have 4 children aged 22-30, and was very concerned for her safety. I did notice she had a camera and that she was not engaged in talking with the 6 males that had surrounded her and her car. I thought they wanted her camera but she was not taking photos. She told me that they wanted to see the license plate on her car. Since they were not the police, I thought this to be very strange. I realized that they were trying to photograph her license plate."

No where did it say the men attacked the TWO people physically, or even verbally. The men asked the protesters to stop obstructing the view of their license plate.

A few questions that arise from this story:

Why were the MSU members trying to get license plate? The only people that could do anything with license plate numbers are the police, so it might mean that these men were trying to record the license plate to report a crime or file a complaint, in which case they have full right to record the license plate number, as long as they did not assault the people, which I don't see being accused here.

Why would these two people not want their license plate recorded, why would they go so out of their way and stand outside of their car physically blocking their license plate? The only thing they had to fear by exposing their license plate is the police as they are the only ones with access to those records. Obviously they had something to hide.

So while I am not accusing either side or defending either side I am clearly stating that this article does not give all the information, yet people are already jumping to conclusions and turining this into a witch hunt.

UCI Alum,

Where in the article or which witness said this:

UCI Alum: "...males with the MSU gang up on a tiny Jewish girl... and demand to take a picture of her license. Afterwards they climb on top someone's car....."

Not sure where you got that but it's not from the article or from the witness mentioned in the article. If you're going to make accusations like that, at least give some citation or evidence.

Dave R.

I think it would be fair to say that this should be investigated by the competent authorities. I have taken care to state that I have no personal knowledge, just that there has been an allegation. I think it is the duty of the campus police and the university to find out what did or did not happen.

Fair enough?

police arrived they took pictures and information from the MSU members... so they know who to arrest later for terrorist activity.

Dave,

I deleted your comments because you are commiting standard Jewish blood libel against a Jewish girl and her friend.

Libelous attacks are not permitted.

"Blood libels are sensationalized allegations that a person or group engages in human sacrifice, often accompanied by the claim that the blood of victims is used in various rituals and/or acts of cannibalism. The alleged victims are often children."

I did no such thing. I actually even mentioned that if they really were doing what they were being accused of which is sexually harassing students, then they probably are not practicing jews. How is that blood libel or anything close to it? If anything I am defending judaism and good jews.

It seems like this whole article is demonizing muslims yet there is no worry that they are being wrongfully accused.

Dave,

In desperation to clear their name, the MSU members resort to something that is of the classic mentality among many Muslims--especially in Palestine: They resort to accusing their victims of far fetched crimes even in circumstances such as this where they literally stalked a girl then cornered and outnumbered her merely because she was photographing one of their nut-job speakers.

I don't know what your are getting at. MSU members are no strangers to fraud and the art of self pity; many independent witnesses can attest to that. In reality, they intimidate and bully people around then they doctor an attempt to gain sympathy from people such as yourself who didn't witness them doing it.

Another example of this is the incident when they vandalized an alleged government vehicle and, in earning the sympathy of an unfortunate quack journalist for the OC Register who naturally wasn't present at the 'scene,' were able to produce an article describing an event in which an FBI car tried to run over a helpless victim of xenophobia in broad daylight.

Such a story is outstandingly hard to believe and is just plain preposterous. The picture they used for the article was of a sympathetic pose by a despicable and dishonest MSU member/CAIR official. In the picture, she is making a pouty face in what is yet another shameless act in Pallywood.