What if you had a Terror Fund-Raiser and Nobody Showed up?
Posted by: Jonathan Constantine | 04/19/2008 10:57 AM
What if you had a terror fund-raiser and nobody showed up?
Well, it appears that our own little operation chaos has succeeded. Here's how everything unfolded. After Starplex patriotically canceled the Sami Al-Arian screening/fundraiser this past Monday, CAIR frantically scrambled for a new venue. So they decided to sign a new contract with Edward's Cinemas. Once they secured the new and more expensive venue, they kept what was previously a well-publicized event very under wraps, releasing the new address only to those registered for the event.
In fact, I had to make calls to all of the movie theaters in Irvine to get an exact address. In addition, a portion of those who registered online never received a confirmation, despite emails from program director Marya Bangee encouraging guests to bring along friends and family to occupy the one hundred more open seats which Edwards provided. While CAIR was pushing (probably threatening Edwards) to keep the event alive, they couldn't issue a press release until two hours before the screening started, ostensibly begging people to make reservations.
And below is the result circa 7pm (when the film was supposed to start):
So I showed up to Edwards Theater, (above) across from the UCI campus around 7pm Thursday night. Accompanied by my brother, I was confronted by a few over-eager members of the Muslim Student Union, just salivating at the possibility of my appearance. A short stocky guy calls me over as I'm taking photos of the new digs, yelling my name. "Jon! Jon!"
He introduces himself as Omar. I've seen him before. The last time I saw him in action he nearly came to blows with a Jewish student after defending an antisemitic speech by Mohammed Al-Asi. Thursday night he was restraining this visible rage, substituting it for a facade of arrogance. He starts to ask me about myself (where I'm from, what I do), and smugly invites me to their annual Anti-Israel hate week on Week 7 (Monday Starts Week 4). What's even more amusing is that the MSU prefers to keep this information sealed until the weekend before these events start in order to hedge against potential counter-protest.
Below is Omar Kurdi's bigheaded foolishness (center) on display:
The girl wearing the pink hijab (above left) also gave me an earful, lecturing me on the 1st Amendment and telling me to respect dissenting voices. Apparently she doesn't remember the time I was thrown out of an antisemitic lecture along with my brother, Reut Cohen getting a camera shoved in her face during an interview with Ward Churchill, or the mass shout down of Daniel Pipes early last year. I told her that I was happy to assist as a speed bump to the fund-raiser. I finally left the scene after being condemned by one of the more lankier members:
Regal Cinemas should be ashamed at their buckling to the destructive will of Islamo-Fascism. The company has forever lost a customer. What's even more alarming was my phone call with the local theater's manager. In response to my questions about the screening, she told me that groups can book events in their facilities for whatever reason they want, and that there is no vetting process.
Conversely, I once again want to praise the patriotic decision of Kristen Wheaton and Starplex Cinemas. As a commenter on LGF points out, Starplex is no more bound to show this filth than they do pornography.
In any case CAIR is extremely peeved about our democratic efforts. In a libelous press-release they referred to concerned members of the community as anti-Muslim bigots, and seem to be threatening litigation against Starplex cinemas despite Marya Bangee's deliberate intention to deceive the theater of the fund-raiser and about the nature of the screening.
In any case, I was happy to participate in an effort that cut into a terror fund-raiser's bottom line. Sami Al-Arian is a convicted terrorist who was deeply and actively involved in (PIJ) Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a terror group responsible for several successful suicide bombings. And despite CAIR's complaints about censorship, this was entirely a democratic effort grounded in the classical power of persuasion.
Update 4/20/2008, (8:45 am pst):
CAIR is foolishly floating the below photo throughout the blogs, trying to defend against the reality that their fund-raiser didn't meet expectations. Notice, there are only about 25 heads in this squared cropped photo. Why not take a panoramic shot from a little further out so we can see all 250 attendees CAIR is claiming? Are there any other flaws that I missed?
Update 4/20/2008, (11:30 pm pst):
In a very amusing turn of events, CAIR is now planting seminar comments.
In fact, I had to make calls to all of the movie theaters in Irvine to get an exact address. In addition, a portion of those who registered online never received a confirmation, despite emails from program director Marya Bangee encouraging guests to bring along friends and family to occupy the one hundred more open seats which Edwards provided. While CAIR was pushing (probably threatening Edwards) to keep the event alive, they couldn't issue a press release until two hours before the screening started, ostensibly begging people to make reservations.
And below is the result circa 7pm (when the film was supposed to start):
So I showed up to Edwards Theater, (above) across from the UCI campus around 7pm Thursday night. Accompanied by my brother, I was confronted by a few over-eager members of the Muslim Student Union, just salivating at the possibility of my appearance. A short stocky guy calls me over as I'm taking photos of the new digs, yelling my name. "Jon! Jon!"
He introduces himself as Omar. I've seen him before. The last time I saw him in action he nearly came to blows with a Jewish student after defending an antisemitic speech by Mohammed Al-Asi. Thursday night he was restraining this visible rage, substituting it for a facade of arrogance. He starts to ask me about myself (where I'm from, what I do), and smugly invites me to their annual Anti-Israel hate week on Week 7 (Monday Starts Week 4). What's even more amusing is that the MSU prefers to keep this information sealed until the weekend before these events start in order to hedge against potential counter-protest.
Below is Omar Kurdi's bigheaded foolishness (center) on display:
The girl wearing the pink hijab (above left) also gave me an earful, lecturing me on the 1st Amendment and telling me to respect dissenting voices. Apparently she doesn't remember the time I was thrown out of an antisemitic lecture along with my brother, Reut Cohen getting a camera shoved in her face during an interview with Ward Churchill, or the mass shout down of Daniel Pipes early last year. I told her that I was happy to assist as a speed bump to the fund-raiser. I finally left the scene after being condemned by one of the more lankier members:
I then walked up to one of the theater managers and asked him about the decision to proceed with the screening. He declined to comment, and referred me back to Regal's corporate office.How could you do this? Why do you have such a black heart?
Regal Cinemas should be ashamed at their buckling to the destructive will of Islamo-Fascism. The company has forever lost a customer. What's even more alarming was my phone call with the local theater's manager. In response to my questions about the screening, she told me that groups can book events in their facilities for whatever reason they want, and that there is no vetting process.
Conversely, I once again want to praise the patriotic decision of Kristen Wheaton and Starplex Cinemas. As a commenter on LGF points out, Starplex is no more bound to show this filth than they do pornography.
In any case CAIR is extremely peeved about our democratic efforts. In a libelous press-release they referred to concerned members of the community as anti-Muslim bigots, and seem to be threatening litigation against Starplex cinemas despite Marya Bangee's deliberate intention to deceive the theater of the fund-raiser and about the nature of the screening.
In any case, I was happy to participate in an effort that cut into a terror fund-raiser's bottom line. Sami Al-Arian is a convicted terrorist who was deeply and actively involved in (PIJ) Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a terror group responsible for several successful suicide bombings. And despite CAIR's complaints about censorship, this was entirely a democratic effort grounded in the classical power of persuasion.
Update 4/20/2008, (8:45 am pst):
CAIR is foolishly floating the below photo throughout the blogs, trying to defend against the reality that their fund-raiser didn't meet expectations. Notice, there are only about 25 heads in this squared cropped photo. Why not take a panoramic shot from a little further out so we can see all 250 attendees CAIR is claiming? Are there any other flaws that I missed?
Update 4/20/2008, (11:30 pm pst):In a very amusing turn of events, CAIR is now planting seminar comments.
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It's amusing that CAIR had to issue a press release saying that 250 people showed up to the screening. Perhaps they meant that 250 people RSVPed but only a handful showed up?
I was there... inside... by accident.
That same night, my wife and I attended a movie premiere inside that same theater.
As we approached the box office, there was an aura of security. Patrol cars were cruising the parking lot, police officers were stationed near the theater, and private security guards were positioned inside and outside the main lobby.
I inquired at a nearby check-in table thinking it was for our event and was told it was THE private MSU event described in this and previous posts.
I was surprised. Aside from the security, it looked like a typical, uneventful college social event (albeit the women were wearing hijabs). In looking at the pictures above, I am actually surprised by the number of people. I saw maybe a dozen.
I have been to more political events than I can count and under no circumstances could the event to which I stumbled upon on Thursday night be characterized as a success.
Congratulations to Jonathan for keeping the pressure on.
Good evening's work, Jonathan.
All the best,
Chuck DeVore
California State Assemblyman, 70th District
www.ChuckDeVore.com
...job :)
You guys are funny.
I volunteered at the event. This was my first time volunteering and I really liked it. Unlike what you falsely claim, CAIR's release did not ask people to come, rather, it announced a sold-out event. I received it. I can send to you. A waiting list was even set up, days before the event.
The new theater was nicer, bigger, and CHEAPER. Anyone who was there can tell you that there were more than 250 people in the theater (more than what the earlier theater could have taken). Just check out the photos on the CAIR website. That certainly was a well-attended event. The amazing thing was that almost everyone stayed until after 10:30pm when the event finished. Remember, this was a Thursday evening.
More importantly, your attempts to censor the event did not only "force" the organizer into a larger theater, but it actually created a free publicity for the event. Webmasters for the Free Al-Arian and the documentary websites announced an increase in the thousands in the number of daily visitors. You know how people become curious when they hear that some groups are trying to stop the showing of a film. I was told that several Christian, Jewish, and civil rights activists and groups are now planning to show the film and hold a forum on the issue. (Now that they heard about it, thanks to you). I guess you can claim credit for that increased awareness too.
All I can say is that while you celebrate your "success" in providing the organizers with the free publicity they could have ever wished for, I am sure that for their next event, they might be willing to privately send some money your way to help them again with the publicity. You guys beat any expensive ad in any publication. If interested, let me know, I will talk to CAIR to broker a deal for you guys.
Samir,
Keep patting yourself on the back if that makes you feel better.
Here's a deal. Have the terror conspirator CAIR give the money that was intended for terrorists (like Al-Arian), and have them compensate the families of innocent Americans and Israelis who were murdered by the brothers and sisters of Sami Al-Arian.
I wouldn't accept any of your blood money for profit. If that's the way you roll, then shame on you.
Also...
As for publicity, the majority of the people who read this blog made 1000's of boycott phone calls putting the event in limbo, not to attend. And I was there to document with my camera (check out the pictures above). There was barely anybody there (just the same old MSU gang). My friend Scott Graves also notes this above.
As for your charges of censorship. Only a government has any real capability to censor. I do have the right to persuade and assist in staging a boycott (you remember the Montgomery bus boycott?). The theater has no more obligation to show your filth than they do pornography.
Finally, I linked CAIR's press release, it doesn't add up to the facts on the ground. Remember I was there? Face it, your terror fund raiser failed.
Here is a photo from the event. The theater really looks so empty. :)
It must be a fake photo too, right Jon?
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-13104
Tania,
My name is Jonathan.
And nice try. I already saw the photo. I liked the way you made everybody sit so close to each other. If it's really the same theater, what do we have? 25 heads? 10 times less than the 250 purported by CAIR?
What's wrong with that picture? Men and women in the same seating area! What's the Islamic world coming to?
Hey tania, use a wide angle lens next time instead of a 50mm- 85mm. Muslim propagandists make me laugh! Adnan hajj revisited...
Very good work, sir.
Jon,
How can I find out if the Edwards "Regal Cinemas" is the same ownership as my Galleria "Regal Cinemas" here in Poughkeepsie NY? If the same, I have no problem sending a "protest/boycott" letter to the local manager and the national HQ.
Dennis Skea
It always amuses me to read the ludicrous comments of these terrorists and terrorist supporters. When they scream at college and university administrations to block talks by CHRISTIAN, conservative and Republican speakers, or actively disrupt such talks, it is “free speech”, something that is denied the vast majority in the 7th century mud hut nation(?)from which they crawled, but when US citizens use their US Constitutional rights to inform facility management of the truth behind events such as this “fund raiser for terrorism”, they whine and attempt to demean our efforts.
The females (maybe some are males in drag (or is it rag)) seen and heard screaming about how wonderful the islamic cult is would not be permitted to see the streets (cart paths) of their own nation(?) unless accompanied by a male family member. These females (or males in drag) lack the common sense to recognize the hypocrisy of what they are doing. At times, some of these females (or males in drag) are seen or heard “leading” the activities. What self-respecting (that is a misnomer) member of the muslim cult would permit such to occur?
These members of the muslim cult scream about how vile and worthless the US is. The question becomes, members of the islamic cult, WHY don’t you get the HELL out of the US and return to your mud huts warmed by dried camel dung. You can be assured that NO ONE will block your path (unless you are suspected of, under indictment for, or convicted of a felony, and only the lunatic fringe of the far left would ever whine about your departure. We’ll ask our true friends, the Israelis, to welcome you home with a flight of crop dusters spraying liquefied hog waste over the entire area.
Have you ever seen or heard of a member of the islamic cult screaming or rioting because of smears and derogatory comments, etc about Allah? Do a search and you'll find none. The only times these lunatic go mad is when something is said or action taken that shows mo hamm ed or the ko ran for what they are. Thus, islam is NOT a religion, but a CULT.
It always amuses me to read the ludicrous comments of these terrorists and terrorist supporters. When they scream at college and university administrations to block talks by CHRISTIAN, conservative and Republican speakers, or actively disrupt such talks, it is “free speech”, something that is denied the vast majority in the 7th century mud hut nation(?)from which they crawled, but when US citizens use their US Constitutional rights to inform facility management of the truth behind events such as this “fund raiser for terrorism”, they whine and attempt to demean our efforts.
The females (maybe some are males in drag (or is it rag)) seen and heard screaming about how wonderful the islamic cult is would not be permitted to see the streets (cart paths) of their own nation(?) unless accompanied by a male family member. These females (or males in drag) lack the common sense to recognize the hypocrisy of what they are doing. At times, some of these females (or males in drag) are seen or heard “leading” the activities. What self-respecting (that is a misnomer) member of the muslim cult would permit such to occur?
These members of the muslim cult scream about how vile and worthless the US is. The question becomes, members of the islamic cult, WHY don’t you get the HELL out of the US and return to your mud huts warmed by dried camel dung. You can be assured that NO ONE will block your path (unless you are suspected of, under indictment for, or convicted of a felony, and only the lunatic fringe of the far left would ever whine about your departure. We’ll ask our true friends, the Israelis, to welcome you home with a flight of crop dusters spraying liquefied hog waste over the entire area.
Have you ever seen or heard of a member of the islamic cult screaming or rioting because of smears and derogatory comments, etc about Allah? Do a search and you'll find none. The only times these lunatic go mad is when something is said or action taken that shows mo hamm ed or the ko ran for what they are. Thus, islam is NOT a religion, but a CULT.
Well done, great post. I've been following this one, and CAIR's failure makes me think a little better of society.
The chest-beating about the claimed great attendance is just plain funny. As I'm sure you're familiar, Islam teaches dishonesty ( see my experiences at http://www.sillyallah.com/2007/10/dishonesty.html ). Cracks me up that the CAIR people are that arrogant to think that others can't see through their lies.
Turns out Regal does own the local theaters. Sent an e-mail to "Regal Corporate", informing them of my decision to not spend my money at the local Regal Cinemas in the future. Won't do any good, but makes me feel like I have accomplished something today.
"How can I find out if the Edwards "Regal Cinemas" is the same ownership as my Galleria "Regal Cinemas" here in Poughkeepsie NY? If the same, I have no problem sending a "protest/boycott" letter to the local manager and the national HQ."
Dennis, here is the number and email for the corporate office:
(865) 922-1123
teresa.welsh@regalcinemas.com
Good job guys!
I arrived late to the event, around 8:30pm. The film must have just started. The producers aimed to gain sympathy by focusing more on the family. Mere propaganda! Why don't they also focus on the suffering of the families of the victims of the Sep. 11 attacks? It is all one-sided.
I am glad I went though. I had a chance to debate with a few muslim attendees. I even spoke to one of the panelists and challenged him on his comments.
The hall was not completely full as they had hoped. At most, it was 2/3 full (may be 200-250 people max). Either way, it is sad to see so many people being fooled.
I have an idea. Why don't we hold similar screenings at the same theater. We can show the recent FOX documentary on the threat of Islamic terror in America and invite Assemblyman DeVore to speak. I am sure we can attract many.
Hey Dan,
Nice try Mr. seminar commenter. You are no less than a CAIR plant. Don't sit there and try to fool me into believing that you are a patriotic American, while making false claims of attendance size. Plus why would you pay money to get in if you don't like where the money is going.
I spotted your hosting service through your IP address. You have to do a little better than that. Look it up at http://ip-lookup.net/.
IP : 72.52.106.140 Neighborhood
Host : remote.cair.com
The comment by "Marcus" demonstrates what these genocidal Islamofascist groups are really all about - he "gets" it all right. Marcus, now go crawl back under your rock.
Someone should check that the theater does match the photo. Is the back wall red with that pattern? Are the seats that color?
I like their pose. I didn't realize they turned the lights on during a screening.
Please folks? We know this is about power right? Most mainstream Jewish people WANT peace with Palestine. When it comes to human rights abuses, should ANY country slaughter their 'enemies' out of existence? This is against International Treaties and against human conscience. And this is what worries me. The powerful are afraid to lose their power and will do anything, Anything, to keep it. Including running a bulldozer over a young woman name Rachel Corey who was trying to save the homes of Palestinians from demolition by the Israelis.
Right Wing People, What would happened if you TRIED to seek peace. Can you place yourself in a state on mind that actually wishes for peace? Or are you guys who are being paid to harrass peacemakers cos your bosses are paying you off? Or do you do it out of hatred of the 1st Amendment or for having no conscience / and or no life?
Take a deep breath - Everyone isn't out to terrorize America (US is the greatest terrorist and everyone knows that), Isn't One Holocost enough? Let's stop recreating history!!! Peace and Tolerance Now!
Sharon, you are right. One Holocaust was enough. Never again!!! Your pals in Iran and the rest of the Muslim world have been working day and night to eliminate Israel since it was born 60 years ago. While they are on "break" from their goal of wiping Israel off the map, they are car bombing each other into the land of 38 virgins.
I have a question for you? Which country (other than Israel) has had it's existence questioned? Ding!!! Your right!! No other country!
Face it, you are no more interested in peace than your "peace loving" friends in Hamas. I have to give Marcus credit, at least he admits that he is an anti-Semitic hate monger with the usual 2 cent education that he received after dropping out of grammar school. Why don't you fess up!!
Since you hate America so much, maybe you would be happier in Iran or Saudi Arabia where women like yourself are "appreciated". While you are at it take your malcontent America hating MSU pals with you.
I love USA. No wait. I hate USA. I love some americans though... South-Americans. You guys are just as funny as your president. He keeps me laughing every time I see him on the telly. Is he really retarded or is it just an act? I can't tell the difference. Anyhow, have fun destroying freedom of speak, the most important thing you have... besides a funny president. He cracks me up!
I don't even know a single muslim or terrorist, boo me.
But I do sometimes wear a palestina scarf, but that's just
for looks. You guys suck so bad as worldpolice, shame
you're all we got cause you are more likely to FUCK things up
than FIX things. Just look at "war on communism" in
South-America. Did you know Norway is and was then a social-democratic country? Did you know USA helped put
despots in the place of a social-democratic ELECTED BY THEIR
PEOPLE governments in their "war on communism". WAY TO GO!
Now this "war on terrorism".. well.. You're gonna fuck
this up to. Actually you already have started to FUCK it up.
We really need a new world police, cause your
trackrecord sucks. Think China might be willing to step up?
Let me get this straight... everyone else has freedom of speech. But Jonathan and those who happen to abhor terrorism have no right to boycott a fundraiser for a terrorist? It's within our right to take issue with the fact that the intent of the film screening was to raise money for a man who was involved in Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Oh yes, I have a different opinion than you. Everybody has a right to voice their opinion, right? No, I don't care about your "freedom of speech" at all really. Boycott whatever you want, because in the long run you don't really matter that much in the big picture. So you helped stop the showing of a movie about this guy. So what? Do you think less children in the world will suffer? Hell no. The suffering will continue, and nothing you do will help. Or me for that matter. We are selfish shallow greedy people.
Now don't you think that "every action has a reaction"? Why do you think US is the most hated nation in the world? Because you make half-assed executive decisions without any regard for the rest of the world. And in the meanwhile you torture people in places like Guantanamo. Hell, if someone torture me for years I'll tell on everybody! And still you support human rights, and cry up when some US whatever gets abducted and ransomed? ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME and ME, fuck the rest, ME is best.
I'm sick of you guys.
Fairy said: "No, I don't care about your "freedom of speech" at all really."
You're a hypocrite, Ms. Fairy.
Keep sympathizing with the terrorists. It demonstrates your flawed and disgusting character. If you don't like the US, you can enjoy living in an oppressive country like Venezuela, Iran or Saudi Arabia.
I know the title of another one of your blog entries:
"What if you had a Racist Documentary Screening and Nobody Showed up?"
Work on lying your way to audiences for your own group's events before you start ranting about others. Oh wait...you already do. So then why didn't anybody show up? Ohhhhh....they started wisening up and seeing through your lies...tut, tut.
Indoctrinate U...LOL...what a joke.
I don't sympathize with terrorists, I never said I do, I never even implied that I do. True, I don't like Israel, and I don't like US of A. I do however sympathize with Palestine, anyone having to life in terror every day from fear of what the Israelis will do to them. They even had an ELECTED government, but since they are members of the Hamas movement it gives Israel carte blanc to do whatever they please. Just like in South America, US moved in and helped placed despots in place of ELECTED governments just because they were social democratic.
I also sympathize with your "prisoners of war" getting their bawls electrocuted in the name of your "war on terror". You think that's perfectly alright that you're torturing people? Even if maybe some, heck maybe all of them are terrorists? Then you are just as bad as them. You have given yourself a carte blanc to do whatever you please, in total disregard of any agreement you signed. Human rights are equal to all, right? Except terrorists?
Now I'm from Norway, and over here we don't like stuff like torture in any form. Not much we can do about it since we're a small country. I'm sure there are people all around the globe not liking what you do in the name of "war on terrorism". You've before toppled elected national governments and put despots in their place in your "war on communism". Don't you think you have already started to fuck things up in your "war on terrorism"? You are a brash country with more bawls than brains in my book.
You think you can do whatever you want. You can invade countries just like that. If there is no evidence against chemical weapon storage facilities, you just fabricate it so you get the world on your side. You do anything you want, and yet you expect gratitude. You want the pat on your back. Well, terrorism started as a weapon against the western world because they felt there was something wrong and they are trying to fight it with the only weapon they got. They are crazy with hate and grief and.. who knows. I don't agree with their methods of course, I prefer to use words to battle with. I say you are doing as much BAD as GOOD. Human rights is equal to all. Torture is bad. Right? No?
Taylor (I know your name is not David judging from your previous comment on the Indoctrinate U post).
My goal was to thwart a terror fund-raiser and I'm happy we did.
I also wanted to cite a comment I made on the Indoctrinate U post following your statement:
Taylor,
What are you talking about? If you are going to make stupid comments, please substantiate.
I didn't realize my participation in a successful boycott and the thwarting of a terror fund-raiser victimized anybody.
I also don't understand your Karma premise. How does the effective demise of the Al-Arian fund-raiser have anything to do with the screening of Indoctrinate U?
Unless, this the same Taylor H that is editor-in-chief of New University. If it is, shame on you if you ILLEGALLY participated in pulling the plug on the Indoctrinate U screening. From your comments above it appears you could have.
Consequently, you would have just rendered yourself as another crappy drive-by journalist in the tank for the MSU and other radical organizations.
Fairy,
Of course you implied that you sympathize with terrorists. You sympathize with Guantanamo inmates. These inmates are terrorists. Therefore, if you sympathize with these inmates more than their victims, that makes you a supporter of terrorism. It's quite simple.... comprende?
You expressed a displeasure for countries like the United States and Israel (both democratic) while voicing your support for countries in which civil liberties are not upheld.
You may be sick of us and that's fine. Unlike you, I support freedom of speech and believe you're entitled to your views no matter how misguided. But personally, I am sick of people who can't think for themselves and hate the US blindly. If the US is such a crappy place to live, why do so many people insist on moving here? Please, spare me the bullshit.
Visit some of the countries I suggested before, particularly Arab-Muslim countries, and see the way people live there. That'll be a real eye-opener!
UCI ALum, You hit the nail right on the head.
Fairy, you are an ingrate, malcontent just like your MSU pals. These folks had an opportunity to emigrate to any other Muslim country on the planet. So where do they go? The US of course, where they can spout there hatred and bullshit in complete freedom. I guarantee you that what ever "paradise" they came from (whether it was Sunni murdering Shiite or vise versa) they weren't forced to come here. No one is forcing them back on the boat either. Lets face it, Fairy, there are lines of people to get in to America. I don't see a stream of MSU supporters fighting to leave. For that matter, why the hell aren't you on that boat out to Norway? Judging by your foul mouth, I would bet that you had a few Nazi collaborators during WW II in your family history.
UCI ALUM:
So just because they are terrorists justifies that they be tortured? Civil liberties my ass. Oh wait, they are POWs. But you still signed that piece of papers as well. You are torturing or.. "desensitizing" as you lot call it. It's still wrong. Why do you think Amnesty International is so much on your ass? And you just blindly trust that those in Guantanamo ARE terrorists. They haven't been tried or anything, because the US gov won't let them be tried. Since they haven't been proven guilty why do you imprison them and submit them to torture, which in it self is bad enough. I don't know, but I don't think that is right. And where do you get that I don't feel for the victims of terrorists acts? Stop implying and listen. Your government isn't GOD. They aren't all knowing. They have fucked up before and will again. So why do you blindly trust that what they do and say is correct?
B:
MSU I have no idea what is, and yes they could move anywhere else. We got plenty of muslims in Norway as well. Some even in court because they are suspected to be terrorist or lead organizations that support terrorism. We don't just put people in jail and torture them like you do, no. They get tried and if found guilty they get imprisoned. We don't have a Guantanamo, because it's WRONG!
I'm not on any boat TO Norway because I am IN Norway. And calling me a nazi just because I don't like you torturing people is kinda far off. My grandparents house were taken over and a prison camp was in the backyard without any choice.. Well ok. The choice was getting killed by bullets or live. My mother and her siblings risked their life passing food to those poor russians and what else was there. But I guess.. that doesn't count. So go on with your personal attack and ignore the message.
As for MSU? Still clueless because I AM IN NORWAY. Read the post instead of assuming. Jackass.
And no I don't hate US blindly, if you read all I've written you'd see my dislike for your dear country came before any terrorist acts. South-America ring any bell? And I actually have some US friends that I can actually talk to. No muslims. I guess I gotta work on that, so you can use it in your next posts. This is my last post here because you're just full of shite and not worthy my attention.
Up yours,
The Fairy
Fairy,
I hope that you don't kiss your mother with that filthy mouth of yours. Anyway, the most intelligent thing that you have said so far is that this will be your last post.....
Fairy, you must be an idiot. I realize you love South America and hate North America. That's why I referred to the region you are critical of as the "United States." DUH! Obviously you didn't read my response to you.
You seem to know a lot about Guantanamo. Maybe you've been there....
You have moral superiority complex that I find extremely funny. Enjoy fascism. Hope you don't come back!