Hutchens And The 2nd Amendment
Posted by: Jubal | 06/18/2008 5:02 PM
Supervisor John Moorlach cited Sandra Hutchens position on concealed weapons permits as one of the reasons he supported her appointment as OC Sheriff. Since John's a conservative, I took that to mean she wasn't one of those law enforcement types who favored restricting the citizenry's right to bear arms.
Judging by today's Los Angeles Times article, that was a mistaken assumption.
According to the LAT, Hutchens plans to review the concealed weapons permits issued by former Sheriff Mike Carona:
But if one is a law-abiding citizen then it should be incumbent on the government to prove you should be denied a concealed weapon permit, not upon a citizen to prove they should be issued one.
Judging by today's Los Angeles Times article, that was a mistaken assumption.
According to the LAT, Hutchens plans to review the concealed weapons permits issued by former Sheriff Mike Carona:
Hutchens said she intends to review each permit and determine whether the gun owners demonstrated an immediate fear for their safety or held an occupation so inherently dangerous that they needed to carry concealed weapons in public.I agree with reviewing the CCW permits issued by Carona to find instances where they should not have been issued due to disqualifies like a criminal record or mental illness,
"The important thing to me is they need to have demonstrated a need," Hutchens said.
And if there's no need, she'll revoke the permits. "That's probably not going to be popular with a lot of people," she said.
But if one is a law-abiding citizen then it should be incumbent on the government to prove you should be denied a concealed weapon permit, not upon a citizen to prove they should be issued one.






Matt, do you think the second amendment is about CONCEALED weapons? It's one thing to keep arms and to bear them openly. But concealed? I don't understand why the average American needs to be able to do that.
Except maybe folks who work on Hoa Van Tran's campaigns.
"Except maybe folks who work on Hoa Van Tran's campaigns"
Boy that was a cheap shot! Perhaps you would prefer that gang members be the only people running around armed.
While I understand the Sheriff's desire to review a multitude of existing policies, the issue of concealed weapons is a matter that will necessitate more than cursory review. I support our consitutional right to keep and bear arms and I would welcome the opportunity to apply for a CCW.
Good points Matt but a "need" is the industry standard in most counties for a CCW. For instance, how does someone like Adam Probolsky qualify to have a CCW. He was one of Carona's PSRs and also a media spinster so where is the need? How did he earn it?
BTW his flip flop on your show about Hutchens was evident to many, including you by what you said. He went from before the appointment to telling listeners why she should not be appointed to telling us,(after her appointment), how he had said she should get it. Unbelievably transparent to your audiance and apparently to some who have been filling her in.
You are right in that CCWs deserve review. Most likely some will be pulled.
One should not have show a need to carry a conceled weapon. All law abiding citizens should have the right to CCW. In fact, states that have allowed all citizens to have access to CCW's have exprienced a decrese in crime and gun violence.
I think what the new Sheriff was referring to was the concealed weapons permits of Carona insiders and supporters such as his martial arts instructor who pulled his CC Weapon out on someone at a golf course. I would not be surprised to see Adams CCW come up for review as well.
Word from the Sheriff's office is that all non-business related permits are going to be pulled (that's about half of them) business-related permits will be put under strict scrutiny. If you aren't transporting diamonds or narcotics, you're probably SOL.
For the past several weeks the SD has not been processing ANY CCWs - not even address changes to permits that have already been issued.
Basically we're going back to the bad old days of Sheriff Gates, when the way to get a permit was a $2000 donation to his slush fund.
I don't know who the sources at the department being quoted by Brundage, but the CCW program is being reviewed and the "demonstrated need" is part of CA law. The new Sheriff should review all CCW's and determine the "need" required by CA law.
The real question is, does Sheriff Hutchens know jack about technology?
One of the major criticism levied against the process used by the Orange County Board of Supervisors to select the county’s new sheriff, is that the selection criteria used all but guaranteed that most qualified leaders to effect change would be disqualified and instead select one from the bunch, is it happened.
One of the questions we asked Sherff Hutchens during a recent interview was whether her capabilities matched the needs of the OCSD, or whether this was a forced fit. We also asked her if she knew where the hidden cameras were – she assured us there were no hidden cameras, and she had no response as to to type of fit. All this in reference to reports of hidden cameras in the office of the previous Chief, but more importantly to get a sense of whether Sheriff Hutchens had the experience required to managed a complex technological environment (including forensics), as is the large OCSD, and the needs of the close to 3 million Orange County residents. The Sheriff was visibly upset when we mentioned that although she had broken a tough glass ceiling, the technology one was even harder. “I do not see what one has to do with the other” she said. Unfortunately, at that moment, she was called for another meeting and we were not able to continue the conversation.
However, here is the train of thought. Various reports indicate that India and China are graduating more scientists and engineers than the US - The Economist reports that India graduated 690,000 scientists and engineers of all types while China produced 520,000 and the United States 420,000, for example, and In India, says a Newsweek article, you can get "quality work at 50% to 60% of the cost, and that it is well known fact that the number of young women gravitating to information technology has been declining for some time, and that industries such as the auto industry have been forced to outsource a good portion of the work to remain viable, and the newspapers such as the Orange County Register are being forced to do the same, what is it the Sheriff Hutchens know that we do not know, to make sure the public safety is not forced to outsource to remain competitive, or will she use the same old tired argument that goes something like this: The OCSD is most efficient, and thus additional safety requires an additional budget”
We also pointed to the Sheriff compelling statistics pointing to 70-90% of internal breaches caused by insiders. She responded by saying “That is the criminal justice”.
The question is, does the Sheriff know jack about technology? We hope to find out in her 120-Day Plan – but she has not been able to produce the Plan, or a Plan for the Plan as of now.
Hutchens's 12-Day Plan not SMART!
We have been asking Sheriff Hutchens for a copy of her 120-Day Plan
We were finally referred to the Sheriff’s introductory remarks to the OC-BOS as the “plan”
This was our response:
"Unfortunately; if Sheriff Hutchens views her statements to the OC-BOS as a plan, that would lead credence to the notion that the her selection as the new OC Sheriff may be a forced fit.
We expected to see a classic SMART plan- – Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Time Bound
The statement is mostly a compilation of platitudes with absolutely not metrics.
Our conclusions may be off base, however, if there are other documents with specific metrics, do let us know"
Despite what some may think, the CCW program was "cleaned up" after the Carona reserve officer issue. Permits issued in the last few years have all needed "good cause" as required by the penal code.
A CCW is only good for two years (unless you're a reserve officer or judge), so all current CCWs were issued for legitimate reasons. The problem with the law is that the penal code lets sheriffs and police chiefs determine what good cause is; what the old sheriff saw as good cause will likely not be the same to the new sheriff
Maybe her "people" should tell her that each CCW equals about 4-5 votes; the CCW holder, his/her significant other, plus a few friends and neighbors. With over 2000 permits currently issued, that's a lotta votes. The wise thing to do would be to put the issue on the back burner for two years until after the next election. Otherwise those votes will go to the candidate who promises more liberal CCW issuance than the current sheriff.
Business owners are getting denied this week and last. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.