The Big question that Moorlach will ask and will insist on the right answer will be...." do you promise to do everything Mario and I tell you to do"?

Okay, where did you come up with that photo of Moorlach? It looks like 10 years and about 60 pounds ago. Either that or the trannies helped him photoshop it.

Is it me, or was the Supervisor trying to communicate his favorite horse in this race?

Before y'all get your dander up, here are my suspicions: the questions cited in the newsletter would all seem to favor Ralph Martin. Of all the early front-runners in this "campaign for the appointment" it appears that Commander Martin would have be the most qualified candidate based on the answers to those questions.

1. Span of control / number supervised: Martin already heads a command that rivals the OCSD in number supervised.

2. Position on OCSD retroactive defined-benefit adjustment: If Martin hasn't already taken a position opposed to the retroactive benefits he has to know the current position of the B-o-S. Any candidate that contradicts that position does so at his/her own peril.

3. Changes to reduce cost of police services: Martin's stump speech two years ago included concrete ideas for improving the efficiency of police services. If he can't rehash his two year old stump speech he doesn't deserve the job.

4. Although the staffer who wrote question four depends too heavily on his/her spell checker (i.e., oversight, not "over site"), Martin's experience also seems to beg this question as well. LASD has no fewer than seven different community advisory groups that monitor and provide feedback to the LA B-o-S, Sheriff, and his staff. This type of community activism will play right into this question.

Before y'all start flaming me, I have NO horse in this race. All I have is an elephant's memory from the county-wide elections two years ago and an inate ability to connect seemingly unrelated data. Martin has always looked good on paper. But then again, I'm just a Nobody

Question for the finalist.

What do you see as the biggest problem at OCSD and what would you do to correct it?

After looking at all the finalist, I feel Commander Ralph Martin seems to be the best qualified person with his background in Law Enforcement.

I have no doubt Martin has a relationship with the LA oversight guy Gennaco. That’s because Martin was the Region II patrol Commander in 2005 which encompasses the renown City of Compton. The command experience and training rendered to his troops cost the County 1.3 Million dollars for what is now infamously called the “Circular firing squad” A quote from the LAT:

“A total of 66 bullets struck Hayes’ sport utility vehicle. Eleven bullets struck the deputies’ own patrol cars, and another 11 pelted nearby residences.” and that:

“The incident prompted a report by Michael Gennaco, head of the sheriff’s Office of Independent Review, who concluded that deputies violated tactical and pursuit policies. He described the scene as “mass confusion.” ”

Add this to the fact that he does not have one iota of jail experience. No Thanks.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-hayes8mar08,1,2716846.story

The question that needs to be asked is, will the new Sheriff have integrity in office? The lack thereof was the greatest weakness of the former Sheriff. Thanks to him OC kids are in greater danger than they ever have been.

" Martin has always looked good on paper."

That's the problem. While Martin’s credentials may look impressive on paper the truth is that he has no policy-level command experience, no experience in running a jail and he has several ranks over him that he still has to report to and to take orders from. In short has really has no experience in running a major law enforcement agency like the OCSD and his main qualification is that he is willing to be John Moorlach’s puppet.

I see what you mean Sean. I went to their website. Seems that they have Sheriff Lee Baca, then Under Sheriff, two Assistant Sheriff's and ten (10) Chiefs. Chief Williams in in charge of Region II. Under Williams there are 3 Commanders. One of them is Walters. Region II handles eight cities. Their Cheifs would be the equivalent to our Captains and their Commanders would be the equivalent to our lieutenants. Their Captains run their substations much like our lieutenants. So as you say Walters probably has no policy level command experience

Rocket--I know you accidently mispoke but you mean Martin not Walters. Good investigation though.

Ha! My bad- "Martin"

Commander Martin’s position is to assist the Chief of a Division as an assistant Division Chief and may hold other special positions as directed by the Sheriff. As assistant Division Chief, an Area Commander is directly accountable to the appropriate Division Chief for the proper execution of assigned functions and for the management of assigned Units.
Commanders are responsible for ensuring that Units under their command are meeting Department and Division standards of operation. Commanders shall be personally versed in the Units' major operational indices (personnel, budget, incidence of force and complaints, risk management, liability, etc.) and have an affirmative obligation to provide Captains with appropriate support and direction in the maintenance of standards.
In addition, Commanders shall personally respond to specified incidents and provide insight and guidance to ensure that the interests of the Department and its individual members are protected. The specific incidents to which a Commander shall respond shall be dictated by Department policy and direction from the Executive Planning Counsel.
A Commander's leadership shall be manifested through clear and concise interpretation of existing laws (both statutory and case law) MOU's, the Department's Manual of Policy and Procedures, all Division directives in support of the manual, our Mission Statement, Core Values Statement and the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics, training requirements and any other direction given by appropriate authority.
It looks good so don't be fooled by the nay sayers...He is good....No way does a Captain, Assistant Sheriff, or Under Sheriff on OCSD have the creditials that Ralph has and the numbers do speak for Ralph. On the otherhand Anderson who is trying his best went from Sergeant to actor real quick and is doing a terrible job...Bravo Jack. I hope people like Rocket and Mill keep up the mis-information, it makes Ralph stand out evenmore. Ralph is a great Commander and will be a great Orange County Sheriff..God Bless him.

Troy. Just trying to figure out what a "Commander" was in the context of the chain of command. There are no Commanders in Orange County Sheriff's Department. I think Irvine PD calls their Captains "Commanders". I was just trying to equate the essential job functions. A Watch Commander can be anything from a two striper on up in other agencies. It looks like there are 25 "Commanders" under ten different Chiefs in the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department. I assumed that a Commander in Los Angeles was like the guy under an Assistant Sheriff so I just wanted to see where they were on the food chain

Here's the Organization Chart link. I don't think my charactization is mis-information.

http://www.lasd.org/aboutlasd/OrgChart/images/chart.pdf

Rocket, to comment on your ridiculous correlation between Martin and the compton incident. First and foremost, you wern't there, I sat through the civil jury trial. I heard the entire testimony. In fact, the media has distorted the situation three folds. The jury on the verdict were comprised of 12 people who did not understand force and lethal force options. You write as if your a cop, if you are, how could not know about media distortion and bias, especially in LA.

Additionally, they were all only high School graduates and two had Ged's. With that said, analytical thinking skills were very, very low. And last but not least, Los Angeles juries, historcially are an Anti-law enforment. Take all of those and presto, you got dummies making decisions. That's pretty much what it was. I enourage you to go read the trial transcripts and you will see for yourself, the verdict was horrible.

But lets take your ideology analysis of Martin and the Incident. With the same actions, is the Current command staff of the OCSD repsonsible for the death at Theo lacy? Based on your correaltion of Martin and the Compton Incident, they would be. Is Anderson responsible for the OCSD deputy who was raping prostitues on duty?
Anderson, and Hunt were pushed through the ranks of OCSd by Carona, you don't think they knew what he was doing? Well based on your thoughts, they are all lumped together.

A Commander in Los Angeles handles more things with respect to polcies, media, liability and command staff decsions, then anybody in Orange County. A Captain in Irvine is equivlalent to a sergent in Los Angeles. One thing law enforcement personnel in OC will not face and do not like to talk about, is the simple fact, LA cops do more and know more. It's simply due to the exposure and volume of crime they handle.

Since your on the topic of experience, Anderson went from Sergent to sheriff real fast, before he was suspciously appointed by Carona and the GOP party in OC. Yes the republican party assisted him, just look at the GOP guy who walked around with Anderson for a few weeks after he was appointed. And now, Hunt, nothing more then a Lieutenant, at best a part time watch commander in San clemente. Wow!!! alot of experience he has. The reality is he knows very little and only made decisons at a watch commander level. He is equivalent to a watch deputy in Los Angeles. And any department who uses two stripers as watch commanders, is a department with very little activity. There is to much risk and liability to have someone as low ranked as that making decisions.

Now lets discuss the chain of command in Los Angeles. what everybody is missing is Los Angeles is MUCH, bigger then OCSD. Martin commands a region equal to the whole OCSD. He doesn't answer to the other chiefs of the Region 1 and 2. There is a big difference between LASD and OCSD. He makes all the decisons for the region he is in command of. Again to reiterate here, decisons in OC are minor compared to what Martin and them face in LA. So it's tough to compare.

Oh and please let me add this about the interviews and experience of Hunt and Anderson:

"Supervisors asked both Hunt and Anderson why they should be appointed sheriff even though they did not have enough top management experience to meet the county's requirements to serve as undersheriff."

Lets add this one too, think here for a cautious second. Carona appointed Anderson, you don;t think the GOP told Anderson, be stearn, hard and act like a real sheriff, until the publicity dies down. Then we'll go back to our corrupt Carona ways. It's common sense.

Martin is going to be you guy, whether you like it or not. Walters has over $170,000 in credit card debt and his financial issues are going to bring him off the track. Also, he has been an acting cheif for several years, because he can't pay his bills. Also, talk to the Santa Ana cops he supervises. Many, not one all say the same thing," He doesn't know anything about his guys, at all, he stinks."

Lets add this one too, think here for a cautious second. Carona appointed Anderson, you don;t think the GOP told Anderson, be stearn, hard and act like a real sheriff, until the publicity dies down. Then we'll go back to our corrupt Carona ways. It's common sense.

Martin is going to be you guy, whether you like it or not. Walters has over $170,000 in credit card debt and his financial issues are going to bring him off the track. Also, he has been an acting cheif for several years, because he can't pay his bills. Also, talk to the Santa Ana cops he supervises. Many, not one all say the same thing," He doesn't know anything about his guys, at all, he stinks."

Walters has over $170,000 in credit card debt and his financial issues are going to bring him off the track.

I looked into that, and it is just plain untrue.

Anon @ 7:57 am

You say: "One thing law enforcement personnel in OC will not face and do not like to talk about, is the simple fact, LA cops do more and know more". This is precisely the arrogance I observed in Martin throughout his interview. When Martin was asked if he would take the position of Undersheriff if offered, he said "No". He was then asked if he would run for Sheriff in 2010 if not appointed. His answer, you guessed it, "No". In other words, don't waste his time. Martin was asked if he would keep Anderson aboard as Assistant Sheriff. This was an obvious concern of the Supes as they asked the same question of all prior applicants. His answer was "yes". It was almost like he previously knew that question was coming. Later the script took a turn and his answers were not as fluid. I think Moorlach pinned him down about his vision of command structure. Martin said he thought the Department was top heavy and should be fashioned like Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. (Martin repeatedly compared the two) Martin was of the opinion there only needed to be two Assistant Sheriffs. Then the most unexpected question of all. Did Martin already have those two individuals selected. After some evasiveness, Martin identified two unnamed Los Angeles individuals. One of them Martin identified as the head of the Los Angeles County Jails. Well, there went Anderson. Martin has no jail experience whatsoever thus his selection of the head of the Los Angeles County Jail system. As luck would have it, two days later and on May 29, 2008 the Los Angeles Times ran the headline: “DISABLED INMATES SUBJECTED TO SHOCKING CONDITIONS IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY JAILS ADVOCATES SAY.” I invite all to read it. It is an example of probably the most deplorable and disgusting conditions I have ever heard of. So yes, continue to do more and know more but, by all means, do it in Los Angeles.

Well to reiterate, he has the debt, and he does. Rumor has it, it was all paid off in one lump sum. Questionable where he recevied the money, if he indeed paid it off. It is starting to smell like Carona again.

Walters either has the debt, or he doesn't. It can't be both, "anonymous."

Please decide which rumor you'd like to monger, although I doubt you have first-hand knowledge of anything.

Anon @ 7:57,

Yes. Our Command Staff at the time was responsible for the in custody death. The County paid for it much like Los Angeles paid for the actions of Martin's troops. I noted there was an Article in the Los Angeles Times today concerning Theo Lacy. The article stated that there were 15 homicides in Los Angeles County Jails to our one (1) homicide since 2000. Los Angeles County jails are 4 times larger than our system. After taking this into account, the homicide ratio rate still is 3.75:1. It might be advisable for you people clean up your jails before telling us how to clean up ours

Well Rocket, LASD inmate account is 22,000. You think to general and you dont break things down to the most micro-causm level. first, to make that type of assertion, you have to look at the number of violent crime inmates LA has to OC. Also, you have to look at the number of other crimes. OC jails are full of some bad guys, but most of them are traffic warrants, DUI and little stuff. You dont have the crime LA has. And again it's SES and politics, not LASD fault compton is what it is. If you put OCSd in Compton it would not change. It would probably be worse. I suspect OCSD deps work there because they don't want to deal with the real stuff. Don't get upset rocket, it's fact. That's why Hunt was so funny!!! he tried to act like a tough guy and he wasn't..lol

Jubal, I have first hand knowledge directly from inside.

EITHER WAY, WE WERE BOTH WRONG, HUTCHENS OR WALTERS. WOW!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE FEMALE SHERIFF.I WOULD BE SUPRISE IF ITS WALTERS. AND NO WAY WILL HUNT GET VOTED IN IN 2010.