"In God We Trust" On H.B. Council Agenda Tonight
Posted by: Jubal | 04/07/2008 4:04 PM
As been noted in other precincts of Orange County opinion-dom, tonight the Huntington Beach City Council will vote on whether to display "In God We Trust" in the council chambers.
This is the idea of Councilmembers Cathy green and Joe Carchio, and is part of a movement afoot to have city councils across the country adopt similar measures.
Naturally, a predictable segment of liberal opinion comes unglued at the prospect of the word "God" appearing within 100 feet of a government building. Lefty HB resident Vern Nelson hyperventilates through five separate posts over at Orange Juice, dumping out the same tired and discredited separation of church and state argument, dragging in unrelated non-germane topics like the old canard about "Hitler's Pope" and even positing that Jesus is against Agenda Item H-1a.
"In God We Trust" is the national motto. It has been for 52 years. For a city council to display the national motto in its council chambers perfectly legitimate.
Yes, I understand there are some who don't like that it's the national motto and try to dismiss as the product of as "McCarthy Era" paranoia. Putting that gross over-simplification aside -- it is still the national motto, and has been for almost every American voters' entire adult life.
While Vern Nelson asks What Would Jesus Do (and then proceeds to tell us), the pertinent question tonight is What Will Debbie Do?
As Northcountystorm points out to his Democratic brethren over at TheLiberalOC.com:
But a "no" vote -- or even an abstention -- will definitely haunt Debbie's David v. Goliath campaign to unseat Dana Rohrabacher because it opens the door moving the battle to cultural terrain disadvantageous to a liberal Democrat. In a red district like the 46th, issues like this remind those DTS and disaffected GOP voters why they aren't Democrats.
As Northcountystorm aptly put it:
This is the idea of Councilmembers Cathy green and Joe Carchio, and is part of a movement afoot to have city councils across the country adopt similar measures.
Naturally, a predictable segment of liberal opinion comes unglued at the prospect of the word "God" appearing within 100 feet of a government building. Lefty HB resident Vern Nelson hyperventilates through five separate posts over at Orange Juice, dumping out the same tired and discredited separation of church and state argument, dragging in unrelated non-germane topics like the old canard about "Hitler's Pope" and even positing that Jesus is against Agenda Item H-1a.
"In God We Trust" is the national motto. It has been for 52 years. For a city council to display the national motto in its council chambers perfectly legitimate.
Yes, I understand there are some who don't like that it's the national motto and try to dismiss as the product of as "McCarthy Era" paranoia. Putting that gross over-simplification aside -- it is still the national motto, and has been for almost every American voters' entire adult life.
While Vern Nelson asks What Would Jesus Do (and then proceeds to tell us), the pertinent question tonight is What Will Debbie Do?
As Northcountystorm points out to his Democratic brethren over at TheLiberalOC.com:
Heather, Mr. Gillock's hyperbole and historical liberties aside, why in heaven's name(or its secular equivilant) would you want to ensure the defeat of Mayor Cook by urging her to turn against the national motto which was supported by 90% of the American public in a 2003 Gallup poll? Is there some polling data you haven't shared with us that demonstrates that the 46th C.D. somehow thinks we ought to give God and/or the motto a pink slip?How Debbie Cook votes will be the most interesting thing to come out of tonight's vote. Debbie's a liberal, but that doesn't necessarily mean she''s one of those liberals who thinks the Establishment Clause really calls for expunging God and any reference to Him from every aspect of government. So I'm not going to assume Debbie is a "No" vote.
And if you, Gillick and others are bent on destroying whatever chance Cook has for victory in November, why stop with the motto in Huntington Beach? Give Cook a 4 point platform which will:
1) Remove God from the Pledge of Allegience
2)Remove In God We Trust from all of our currency.
3) Eliminate In God We Trust as our national motto.
4) Airbrush out God from important national documents like the Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg address
But a "no" vote -- or even an abstention -- will definitely haunt Debbie's David v. Goliath campaign to unseat Dana Rohrabacher because it opens the door moving the battle to cultural terrain disadvantageous to a liberal Democrat. In a red district like the 46th, issues like this remind those DTS and disaffected GOP voters why they aren't Democrats.
As Northcountystorm aptly put it:
If you're successful in putting Mayor Cook in a position where she votes against the motto then whatever blip in support she got from the ill fated misadventure by Mike Schroeder will be more then washed away.Stay tuned...
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What would Ayn Rand do? Or in this case, vote.
No way I'd vote for it but it has nothing to do with God this or godless that
If you think about it too much then read today's Register opinion piece.
They say it's just more nonsense and politicians need to stay out of it for all our good
I will support the our national motto, " In God We Trust" to be displayed in all public buildings.. matter of fact, we need more of these positive messages around us each and every day.
Just to let you know...in the pledge of allegiance, "Under God" was added during the 50's to separate us from the communist. The pledge had no God in it before then.
Good Mike, the word "under God" did a execellent job by protecting us from communism in 50's. Now "under God" can continue to protect us from other harmful element(s). Keep displaying "In God We Trust"
I'm a conservative, but this whole "In God We Trust" thing seems like a distraction from genuine city business. What's next? Banning flag burning? Meanwhile we have a county pension crisis, state budget collapse, and businesses fleeing California. But by all means, let's focus all of our time and resources on making sure "In God We Trust" is on our City Halls.
Distraction, you are confused but not a conservative.
We are in deep trouble because we had taken God away from our daily lives. The most highly educated economists are completely lost about our future economy. This is the time to regroup under God.
I'm not confused at all. Government needs to spend less than they take in. This is not a religious issue, it is a spending issue.
I'm not embarrassed to say that I've been disappointed by the excessive spending under the Republicans in Washington. It is my opinion that some in the GOP throw stuff like "In God We Trust" and flag burning out as red meat to get social conservatives to ignore the out of control spending.
I think it should be noted that this enthusiasm for "In God We Trust" is occurring during a Presidential election year. After November, you won't hear or see anything about "In God We Trust."
Thou shall not kill
Thou shall not covet they neighbors wife
Thou shall not bear false witness
I don't see anything that says "Thou shall make you sure I am used for senseless propaganda"
If we use "God" as often as some would like then the result is we cheapen and debase that which we seek to phrase
Catholic boy you forgot to add "ONCE UPON A TIME catholic boy"!
Label it all propaganda signs to our traffic signs..... stop, yield,speed limits, etc.....
Love God, as He had loved you first and He will not stop caring for you ever.
This whole issue is proof that Republican hypocrisy is alive and well.
There is so much praise for Ayn Rand from Republicans, yet they believe it is time to "regroup under God".
The more the Republicans take on these foolish religious issues, the more they make themselves irrelevant in California and beyond.
Where is Barry Goldwater when you need him?
Now "under God" can continue to protect us from other harmful element(s).
Yep, just like the Defense of Marriage Act will protect us all from getting divorced.
Anon @ 7:59
Take it from someone who is a fan of Ayn Rand: you don't have to agree with everything someone says to find some of their stuff inspiring.
I am a fan of hers because of her ability to put in paper the feelings and emotions behind the frustration of an individualist. I disagree strongly with her opinion about love, marriage, and religion.
This is something that's been discussed by fans of hers and followers of Objectivism for a long time. The community is split between the folks who believe that religion is poison and the folks who believe that Ayn advocated for us to take action on what we consider to be most beneficial to us. I consider highly beneficial for me to have a moral set of values to live by, to have a spiritual connection with a higher being, and to be mindfully aware of my surroundings.
Ayn Rand was brilliant but she was only human. Her own personal experiences affected her judgement on all things, as they should have, and just like everything else you take the good and leave the bad.
Let me know if you think otherwise though, because I'm using the same argument all you Democrats are using to disassociate Obama from Rev. Wright. Do you not agree Obama finds Wright inspiring but does not agree with him 100%?
Missy, yes, your marriage problem can be also helped by serving God first. Many marriage problem starts when one become more selfish than his or her spouse. Serve God first then your family............. before asking for your selfish desires.
Plain and simple "In God We Trust" is what our nation was founded on. It's necessary to have, to display our love for America.
Anon.11:26, I am with you.
We are proud of our heritage and most of all our lord Jesus Christ!
can that God be Buddha,or Alah? How about Vishnu? Harry Sidhu would like that GO to be Vishnu. And Im sure all the Van Tran acolades would like that God to Be Buddha.
So which God is it we are supposed to have trust in? Can we have an invocation by our local Rhabbi? Or Buddhist Monk? How about the Church of Satan? Can they do an invocation before the start of the council meetings?