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CRA County Convention: Going Over the Ground Rules

Posted by: Tomahawk | 03/16/2008 10:00 AM

Over 300 people packed into the OC GOP's headquarters yesterday to select which candidates should get the coveted California Republican Assembly endorsement.  The convention, as this gathering was described, was scheduled to begin at 9:00 am, but started much later.

A quick glance around the room will tell you that many are here to see the fight in AD 60, AD 71, SD 33, and 1st Supervisorial -- and the Red County UnSteadiCam was on site to record it thanks to a young volunteer.

Not wanting to repeat what happened at the January OC GOP Central Committee meeting, the CRA Election Endorsement Committee went over the ground rules first before any voting takes place to ensure that everyone is clear about the process and how abstaining would be counted towards the 2/3 threshold .  I won't go into details here, you can watch Karl Heft and Tim Whitacre get into it by viewing the video below:

Comments

Vivian said:

Good job on the video "young volunteer", thanks for putting it on the site.

Anonymous said:

Did Janet Nguyen get the CRA endorsement in the 1st Supervisorial race?

It would be a good indicator of how other conservatives in her own area think about her.

Bolsaman said:

I don't think Janet got the endorsement, otherwise she and her buddy Arturo would make a big deal out of it already.

i was there said:

Janet got a majority but but not 2/3rds because they refused to allow the pro-Janet Anaheim unit to vote, even though state CRA president Mike Spence ruled that Anaheim was eligible. Good job by Van Tran is fixing the election.

Anonymous said:

Additionally, the participation of Westminster Republican Assembly was vetoed by Cuong Sinh Cao, president of the Vietnamese Republican Assembly. Cao also excluded members of the Westminster Republican Assembly from his delegation.

Tim Whitacre, who has already gone on record against the endorsement of Supervisor Janet Nguyen was named as parliamentarian (I see him right at the head table on the video), hardly an impartial choice.

Despite all of these roadblocks, Supervisor Janet Nguyen won a majority of the votes on all three ballots.

Dina was never able to scratch out a majority even with all the advantages in this forum.


I was there too said:

Janet got 3 more votes than Dina (How ironic...) but failed to get the endorsement by 2 votes. Anaheim was a non-issue. CRA maps clearly showed boundaries. So, the real headline should be: "Even though Janet and her cronies try to rig the endorsement, ethical leadership thawrted the manuever."

On top of that, Janet showed herself to be the crass, demanding bridge-burner that she is. Each time she spoke (the voting went 3 rounds) she became more venemous and unprofessional in her accusations and demands that she be endorsed. To the contrary, even though Dina Nguyen was obviously nervous and didn't do a great job her first time in front of a large group, she was professional, likeable and waited to the last round to put Janet in her place in a lady-like manner.

After the meeting Janet promptly left going one way and her husband, who she barely said "boo" to, went the other...

It was a great, well-run meeting. Kudos to the CRA members who led it.

Anonymous said:

I was there...at Mike Spence's house?

This was a shocking loss for incumbent Janet because all other elected officials were greeted with big green lights/endorsements. I guess cra members can tell who is real republican.

I was surprised to see so many cra members wanting to speak with Dina after the voting event.

Before running for this race, Janet should have made some friends first.

Dina has been advancing in every angle.

cra republican said:

I remember someone saying "Janet is nasty " during her agitating speech from the rear.

It was a uneasy endorsement convention for Janet because of her past sour relationship with cra establishments.

Janet needs to step down from her office now and start over from the scratch..... only this time don't build the walls but build more bridges.

Another person referred Janet as a "back stabber" duing this voting convention.......certainly not a good title to have during this campaigning season.

Anonymous said:

What this someone you? You drag down the name of CRA with your rumor-mongering and whisper campaign.

Janet's in trouble said:

As an incumbent who failed to receive an endorsement from the local CRA, despite her claims of conservative activism, Janet Nguyen basically received a vote of "No Confidence" from the CRA in her area, who of course, knows her best.

No matter how you spin it, Janet Nguyen lost to someone who is virtually an unknown to the CRA members. Therefore, the lost must be attributed to her and her alone, since conventional wisdom would show that Janet should get the endorsement. Again, there is no such thing as a CW when it comes to Central OC, or Janet Nguyen.

Sure, Janet and her people will try to put some lipsticks on this pig, but the facts are indisputable in that she again failed to get the endorsement even though her people were trying so hard to work the area.

OC Rules said:

Is it true that the Riverside County outsider Jeff MIller got the CRA Endorsement over OC's own Neil Blais. How in the hell did that happen? Neil is the OC guy and most of the 71st District is in OC.

I don't understand how some upstart from the sticks in Corona pulled this off. Is the Blais campaign asleep at the switch ?

Anonymous said:

Anon @1:52 PM,

Justice is so poetic! Mr. Cuong Cao WAS a huge supporter of Janet Nguyen, until she stabbed him in the back too. As her supporter, he would do anything for Janet, but she tossed him away just like a used lemon.

How many more victims will come out to speak the truth about Janet Nguyen and her many misdeeds? Time will tell.

She got her just desserts with her utter failure to obtain support from the CRA. No way to spin out of this one.

Observer said:

I was there to participate in the CRA endorsement meeting. I am not from the 1st District and can't vote in this race.

As an observer, I thought the process was fair and untainted and Karl Heft and Tim Whitacre did a fine job.

A few observations:

Dina Nguyen needs to be better prepared and stay more focused on issues important to conservatives. She was not prepared and must get beefed up on the issues or she'll be in trouble at other forums. Dina's redeeming quality is her professional and pleasant demeanor. She presents well.

As for Janet Nguyen, she's better prepared during the first round of intros but got gradually worse and vindictive in her presentations in the second and third rounds, when she went off script and got real personal. This turned off a lot of people in the room, including me, even thought they may not say it. I suspect that she lost the endorsement, or the vote was that close, because of her personality.


Anonymous said:

The one laughing here is Democrat candidate Hoa Van Tran. I'd like to be the fly on the wall when Dina and Hoa are at the water cooler at their law office on Monday.

No laughing matter said:

Anon,

Nobody is laughing. It's just pathetic to see that Janet Nguyen, a controversial incumbent, did not even come within ball park range of getting the CRA nod.

This result shows that she is very vulnerable.

One Who Knows said:

Isn't it funny to see Janet and Tim, both labeled as backstabbers within the local GOP, going at it? I find it entertaining.

Janet, being one who IS in an elected office while Tim, being one who has tried and ISN'T in an elected office. My word, it's pathetic to see those who think they're mighty when they simply aren't... let that be a crticism to both Janet AND especially Tim.

CRA Delegate said:

OC Rules,

Miller formed 5 shell CRA Units a few months ago within his own city. The rules allow it and each unit gets 5 votes. So he was able to get more delgates. I would bet my farm though that none of those units ever meet again now that he has the endorsement. The voting had nothing to do with CRA type credentials, it had to do with how many you could pack in the room. He also had members of his paid campaign team as delegates for some of those units, but that is legal also.

Miller's voting record is as non-CRA as one can get- as a city council man he has raised taxes and fees at least 300 times, has invoked eminent domain at least 12 times, and supported establishing a city holiday for Ceasar Chavez.

And this is the guy that is now carrying the CRA banner?

I think Mike Spence should take a look at all of this and figure out how this could happen because I would bet that ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave right now.

JC Fremont said:

There are two sides to every debate going on here in the comments, save one I suppose. So I'm going to have to call out "Zari is Getting Embarrasing" and ask what she has done to get to you? I never even heard her name mentioned in the reports I got from the "convention."

Walters grabbed the endorsement handily from what I read on FlashReport and, as I understand it, it was a noncontroversial vote relative to the others yesterday morning.

Wondering? said:

This Corona shell thing seems interesting, but everyone knows that it is a common tactic to secure the endorsement. I wonder why Neil didn't do the same? Surely, he knew that the new Corona clubs were going to vote for Jeff. From what I have heard, Jeff got votes from the OC clubs. Was Neil able to get some votes from the Corona clubs?

I am worried that Neil wasn't able to get out the OC vote and Jeff drove out the Corona vote. I hope that is a trend that ends with the CRA and note election day voters.

Anonymous said:

I was there too....and for all you worried about the Janet vs. Dina vote, here's how it went:
First round: Janet 11, Dina 6, Abstain 2, No Vote 1
Second Round: Janet 11, Dina 7, Abstain 0, No vote 2
Round three: Janet 11, Dina 8, Abstain 1, No Vote 0

Seems Dina wasn't moving much of the vote, but Janet's supporters stuck by her.

When the CRA let the OC Viet American CRA prevail by not letting the Westminster CRA form even though it took what 45 DAYS to "find" the OC Viet CRA document that supposedly has "Westminster" on it; one which no one has seen; that cost Janet and possibly Dina some votes also. Janet's frustration began to show at her third time at bat and I think I agreed with her actually. She is the sitting supervisor, she has had a long association with the CRA and the RP; and Dina joined the CRA in January.

Apparently Mike Spence (President of the CRA) works for Joel Anderson out of San Diego. Joel Anderson is Van Tran's seatmate in the chambers of our hallowed halls of the state assembly. Small world.

Another Sore Loser said:

Anonymous,

Janet Nguyen needs to get a massage because she is sore all over for not getting the CRA endorsement.

Don't blame it on Mike Spence, Van Tran or Joe Anderson for her inability to get the CRA endorsement. You sound petty and stupid with your JFK conspiracy theory.

Janet alienated a lot of people over the years and now they are giving her a piece of their mind. That's all. Facts of life. You treat people nice, they return the favor. You treat people badly like Janet does with others, they return that favor as well.

You have to wonder that with every round, Dina gains one more vote. If the CRA keeps going, before long Dina may get the endorsement, courtesy of Janet Nguyen and her crass behavior.

Anonymous said:

Here's an unprecedented headline for all Republicans,

Supervisor Janet Nguyen is the ONLY incumbent Republican in Orange County who failed to receive an endorsement from the California Republican Assembly.

Anonymous said:

Anon @ 9:37 PM, aka Vivian Kirkpatrick-Pilger,

Let's try to be objective and factual when it comes to the 1st Supe race. Here are a couple things I gather from the endorsement convention on the 1st:

1) Janet Nguyen the incumbent did not get endorsed.

2) Janet Nguyen is the lone GOP incumbent at the convention who did not get endorsed.

3) Dina Nguyen, a virtual unknown in conservative circles, was able to block Janet and got 8 votes to Janet's 11.

4) Each round of counting had Dina gain one net vote with Janet gaining none.

Given Dina's lack of record with the CRA, the onus is on Janet, the incumbent, and the reasons for her not getting the CRA's support.

Anonymous said:

To ANON 11:45 AKA Tomahawk:

I would expect you to hold the opinions you have.

What I would like to know (because obviously I have not seen this) is what EXACTLY has Janet Nguyen DONE in FACT to bring this wrath upon her? I see statements from the same people over and over again that she is a "backstabber" but I see no evidence of this. I see statement from the same people over and over again that Janet is "nasty" but again, I see no evidence of this. That she was frustrated at the vote by the third round could have been expected, what was unexpected (by me)was her honesty in relating the situation as it is with all the lawsuits going on from the Trung camp; and the attempts to continually discredit her.

I personally have not seen the side of her that her detractors (which it seems are few, but very vocal, in number) keep complaining about. I did get a chance to talk to her after the meeting and asked her why the split with Cao. She told me, but it's a very personal story and has nothing to do with politics or ideaologies so I would not feel comfortable relating it here. However, I believe her because I have seen evidence from the Cao camp of what she told me.

Mr. Cao seems a very likable man but holds some very strong beliefs about "who" should be doing "what" and with "whom" and "how".

Nevertheless, perhaps some facts could help?

The Guru said:

"That's all. Facts of life. You treat people nice, they return the favor. You treat people badly like Janet does with others, they return that favor as well."

Although, unless you're Tim Whitacre, he'll just backstab you anyway and lie, cheat, steal to get what he wants because he has a Napoleanistic, ego-driven mindset.

re The Guru said:

The Guru, LOL. Yep, you've described Tim as everybody knows him...NOT!!! Pedroza, you and your two friends are psychos. Love the way you describe yourself to try and discredit a fine man. Save it, we all know you and we all know better.

Art Pedroza said:

If you guys think the CRA members at this endorsement convention who opposed the endorsement of Supervisor Nguyen reflect the people of the First District, then drug tests are in order for the lot of you.

This district went to the Dems when Correa won. Had Supervisor Nguyen lost the seat would have gone to Scumberg.

You should all be grateful that Supervisor Nguyen is hanging on to the seat for your party.

Shame on the Trannies who did not vote to support Supervisor Nguyen. I will have quite a laugh in June when Dina gets blown out of the water.

Janet's Victim said:

Come on Anon. You know better than that. Janet Nguyen owns a whole drawer full of knives and she has used them all. There are many, and I repeat many, victims out there who dislike her. There is political blood on her hands. The victims are her fellow Republicans who were her bosses, helpers, counselors, and endorsers.

There are legitimate reasons for everything that is happeing to her today. Why don't you seriously talk to the folks who used to support her. You know who they are.

Don't give us this "I'm innocent" line. People out there are not kids.

GOP Voter said:

Art,

As a voter in the First Dist., I will be grateful when Janet Nguyen is booted off the Board in this election. I will vote for Dina Nguyen and will get all my family members to do the same. And as for you, good riddance.

BTW, give up on your predictions business. Last time you gave your prediction, you ended up looking like a fool.

The Guru said:

"time you gave your prediction, you ended up looking like a fool."

That may be true, but Janet still won. Whacha gonna do about that, boy? ;)

Anonymous said:

There were multiple predictions that Trung would win in November too, and he didn't even complete his papers for candidacy. So what's with that? Is he losing favor with the Tran camp too?

The Guru said:

"Is he losing favor with the Tran camp too?"

No, it's just that he would've had to raise several hundred thousand dollars just to break even from his last campaign. Then, he would've had to raise several hundred thousand more just to compete against Janet.

Long story short, Trung ain't running -- Dina is -- but Janet will still win... 'cause she totally rocks!!!!

Guru = Janet said:

Guru,

Is Janet rocking Tom Bonikowski Nguyen? They looked like they were ready to kill each other after the CRA failure.

She's gonna lose baby, after stealing the election from Trung and conspiring with Dem Lawyer Fred Woocher.

Get prepared to move out and get lost.

cra republican said:

Guru, "Janet ...totally rocks", are you celebrating her gross failure at the cra endorsement convention?

Janet's face turned in to a big stony ROCK when she became the first incumbent without endorsement from conservative OC CRA chapters on Saturday.

Long story short, Janet was a BIG loser and Dina's nice personality has out performed Janet's ugly character.

Anonymous said:

GURU=Janet, you are wrong! In order to be an official GURU, you must be at least 70 years old.

Janet appears only in her early 50's.

Art Pedroza said:

GOP Voter,

Actually, I predicted Janet would win. And that Bustamante would lose badly. Which he did. In fact he was so badly blown out that the Democrats backing him left his election night party early to go to Umberg's party. Where they were able to "celebrate" the end of his career in politics.

Janet has already defeated some pretty big names. Trust me. Taking out Dina will be EASY.

Anonymous said:

Art, Your Ding-Dong Dina happens to be a Council woman and you are.....confused S.A.latino,"Tim Whitacre wanta be".

You wish you had a title or star next to your fabricated green card......Go ask your mama Janet for some milk.


Dina is going to be our next supervisor.

OC GOP CC Member said:

Janet Nguyen lose big at the CRA. If she wants to request the endorsement from the OC GOP next month, Team Dina is very prepared to take her and her cronies down, hard. It will be another hard take down. Bring it on Janet Nguyen!

Anonymous said:

Art,

When you fear someone, you call that person names. Such kiddie sand box mentality in elementary school. It's such a predictable pattern.

But at least it gives everyone a peek into your inner, deepest fear of Dina Nguyen. If you don't admit it to the public, at least face the facts and admmit it to yourself: "I am scared of my Janet Nguyen getting her butt kicked by Dina Nguyen." Oh yeah....the fear is palpable in your postings.

Anonymous said:

Art, the wet pants, get some spanking from "the nasty Janet" and go play in the sand box with "Andrew the smelly Toe" before singing for your ma ma "the Obama"

Sophia said:

"When you fear someone, you call that person names. Such kiddie sand box mentality in elementary school. It's such a predictable pattern."

Better to call people names than politically backstab them and ruin their good name like Tim Whitacre. The man is a scuzball.

student said:

Sophia, I think people don't give funny nicknames to the people they fear... I think it's the opposite.
A little humor in the dry politic arena brings smiles to some people.... I guess. However one thing is for sure..... people don't have whole lot of respect for Janet and she can only blame it to herself.

Anonymous said:

"Sophia" is but one of the annonymous names Pedroza and his two friends use to sound like a Mexican female.The funny thing is, they spell it wrong, it's "Sofia." LOL.Babosos! If there's one thing I do know about Tim over the years it's this: If the man is strongly against someone, it's for good ethical reasons.He's one of the very few fair-minded people I know who applies the same standards to Republicans and Democrats alike.I'm curious to know exactly who "Sophia" is referring to;the name will tell us the whole story.We're waiting, Art - oops, I mean "Sophia."

Sophia said:

The spelling of the name can go both ways... the "ph" sound in the English language often creates a traditional "F" sound. Much like in the example of "fishing" and "phishing."

If you'd like to take English classes, they offer some good ones at SAC. Or, if you'd perfer not to be around so many latinos, you can go to Santiago Canyon.

Nice teaching you something you probably didn't know... Schmuck.

Little Saigon said:

Dina need to stop attacking Van in her union interviews. Van made Dina and he can break her.

Losers Unite! said:

Tim's the Man! Witacre rules Santa ana and Pedroza can't bear it. Such jealousy and envy. Tim, keep at it. You got a lot of supporters out there.

How come Art is so muc like Janet Nguyen and people who surrounds her? You can go down the list -- Tony Lam, Andrew Do, Nick Le Cong, Nhi Ho, and even the tainted Viet Weekly, her biggest propagandist, are a bunch of frustrated people of unrealized aspirations. In other words, they are losers.

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