Janet Nguyen's creating more problem for herself. Why ?.

Her dirty little secret of the bad move on the CRA's matter will lose the Vietnamese-American voters in Westminster, Garden Grove.

Do you see and learn the lesson of Tom Umberg and Carlos Bustamante's result in the last supervision election.

Lincoln Club, political parties in Orange county or CRA's endorsement means nothing to Vietnamese-American voters.

Janet! do you get it.

After the successful recount election fraud gadget now Janet wants to drag in good CRA name into her mud wrestling ring.......... poor decoys and fake cra mnember dancing in Janet's tunes.

Hello folks. This is not a new issue. Keep your eyes on the Republicans 71st AD race where multiple CRA units were created overnight in a non-Orange County city to tilt the potential endorsement. The vast majority of residents in the 71st reside in OC.

Vivian Kirkpatrick-Pilger says:

Tomahawk - I could have anticipated your view on this. However,how do you explain that when the endorsement for the 1st Supervisorial District was done by the CRA in Orange, it was I, Vivian Kirkpatrick-Pilger, who stood up to speak for Kermit Marsh and indicated that he had proven his dedication to his constituents by about 8 years on the City Council in Westminster, and I didn't approve of the newly elected folks such as Janet and Trung hop scotching up the political ladders to higher positions after showing little commitment in their newly acquired positions? How do you explain that the endorsement at that time did not go to Janet Nguyen but to Kermit Marsh?

These are not "dirty little secrets" - what is a "dirty little secret" is that the OC American-Vietnamese CRA doesn't have a boundary map filed, HELLO!!! and further, the advocation of an ethnic representation on their board by Vietnamese is blatently racist. We joined that group in good faith, thinking that everyone would be treated equally, only to find that no, everyone would NOT be treated equally unless you were Vietnamese. When the "European American" was removed from being a voting delegate because the President indicated to the secretary of that group that he felt if was more appropriate for a Vietnamese to be the delegate because the unit name is "OC American Vietnamese CRA"....well that's just un-American.

And being appointed to a committee by Janet Nguyen...well just how many committee's are you appointed to? and by who? So what. That doesn't mean anything.

I'll tell you what means something. This is America. And when we see injustice, and when we see a "machine" that begins to set up shop in our community, someone has to stand up and be counted. I think Janet has done that, which is why she is being crucified by that Machine.

And just what gives the "right" to the OCAV-CRA to "represent" everyone in Westminster, when in actual FACT they CLEARLY DO NOT REPRESENT EVERYONE IN WESTMINSTER?

And, the good name of the CRA is not at question here as you try to imply. The question is, can Americans who are not represented, in fact get representation and have their own CRA unit when they have been clearly excluded from participation in the OC AV CRA? And furthermore, just what does "OC" mean, that the American-Vietnamese control all of OC? Did you read the by-laws? Did you see the part about having a clearly defined geographical area in the name of your unit? Apparently you missed that part. Oh yes, and the part about having a map too.....

What gives the OC AV CRA the right to control all these cities? That's the dirty little question I would like to see answered.

hey Tomahawk,

Again your facts are wrong as usual.... Mr. Salazar isn't appointed by Ms. Supervisor Nguyen. Get your facts straignt.

Show us the map for your area.... hey Vivian Sue the Viet CRA Group.... They aren't letting you form the Group.... Hey Whitacre sued the OC GOP... LOL

No map then sue!

Larry said,"... this is not a new issue..keep eye on 71st etc..." You are wrong Larry!

We are keeping our eyes on this supervisorial district concerns and Janet's shady unethical political conduct against her own constituents in the Vietnamese community.

CRA should never allow Dem. leaning Janet to apply for the endorsement period.

Hey Vivian,

I second the Lawsuit.... Hey you all should get your money back for joining a new unit that isn't allowed. LOL how many current dues holding members are in the Viet CRA Unit?

Lawsuit? Where are your morals people? Isn't this society litigious enough? Or does Truong Nguyen want to get some more business for his firm by defending the OC Vietnamese-American group?

As far as I heard, the new unit was actually approved. And furthermore, it's not up to you Tomahawk or Mr. Cao whether this group is formed or not. After all the OC VA RA didn't have ANY original members from the City of Westminster!!

Anon 3:57 -- What are you talking about with the lawsuit? No one has the time to go after you with legal means. I've been sitting back just observing you and 2 other people go back and fourth using different names.

If you want to chat about it Vivian, feel free to drop me a line: tomahawk@redcounty.com or stop by the OC GOP meeting tonight.

Tomahawk (is this the real Tomahawk?) I, anonymous, was responding to the two people who started talking about law suits on here, and they were not indicating they were coming after me, so don't spin that one. Read their posts. And I doubt "Vivian" is suing the CRA either. And if she feels like talking to you then she will. But after your posts I doubt she has an appetite for that.

TomahawK: First, how would Vivian find you at the Central Committee mtg tonight? I mean, you're an anonymous name on a blog! Secondly, how much money have you given to candidates you support? I guess you can just throw out complaints when anyone can look you up and see what candidates you have supported monetarily. Or is that against the law? And thirdly, since when is any new CRA units that are set up a "sham" and a "shell." There were new units during the Bush Cheney 2000 election set up all over the state because people were newly involved in politics. That is the point of the political profession- to get involved with the election process! And that includes becoming a member of new organizations that represent our own values. But since you are just a "shell" for your political candidate, you aren't one to talk. How much money did you have to give to get a plum position like that? And will you be paying your own way to travel to the Convention or will your employer cover the bills a la Fabian Nunez? Receive any Louis Vuitton presents lately?

Vivian Kilpatrick-Pilger,

Please lay off your race-laden remarks about "Vietnamese", "European-Americans" and "Little Saigon", while in the same breath pounding your chest as being an egalitarian in these US of A. You really sound trite, but more like a hypocrite. You have been race-bauting all year last year. Give it a break this year. It's the Year of the Rat and you would not want to live like one.

We know that you were beaten in the last election, hung out with and got appointed by Janet Nguyen to some obscure commission in the OC, and are doing this to return the favor. Janet Nguyen is hated by so many people because she is selfish, crass, arrogant, immature, and dim-witted. Need I continue with the list?

Your attempt is very transparent. You are bitter and frustrated because of your '06 election lost, but that's understandable. Yet, you come out blaming everyone without accepting responsibility that you had no campaign network, little support, and not enough votes to win.

This litlle game of yours is being exposed and rightfully so.

LOL Janet Nguyen being "crucified" by the Machine, as fancied by Vivian Pilger. Isn't she the one throwing all the stink bombs around Little Saigon?

First of all, "Sore Loser" get the name right. It's Vivian KIRKpatrick-Pilger, not "Kil". It is not I who is "race baiting". I believe it was the OC American-VIETNAMESE CRA that chose their name, not me. They started with race identification, not me.

Yes, I was beaten in the last election, by a 23 year old, straight out of college who worked for Van Tran and was strongly supported by Van Tran (Van Tran swore him into office). It isn't so much that I mind losing a legitimate race, but the methods of the machine employed that would put an inexperienced person into an elected position that really does matter to the very basic necessities of life (sewers and trash). The Vietnamese community voted strongly for him because he was supported by Van Tran, not because he had stellar qualifications.

Futhermore, I haven't "hung out with Janet". As a matter of fact, tonight is the longest conversation I have ever had with her and it lasted maybe a minute or two. And, by the way, she was extremely pleasant and polite. And, she didn't appear to qualify for any of the names you called her.

This is not a "little game" as you try to spin it. This is real America. I have my values, you have yours. I think everyone is entitled to representation, apparently the OCAV CRA did not think so. This unit was, and unless you are dim-witted or just failed to read all the posts on this, this unit was wanted a long time ago by a lot of people who felt disenfranchised by the OCAV CRA. It was not formed in response to any need Janet Nguyen may have for delegate votes for endorsements. However, I must admit, it would seem like a nice thing to do, to endorse her, you see I have a lot of empathy for her now.

Vivian Kirkpatrick-Pilger,

My apologies for mispelling your name. It is a long one, though, and I did get most of it right.

Here are some of the problems with your logic but you keep dragging it on and on:

1) Although you claim that you are not engaging in race-baiting, yet the first few lines that you mouth is full of race and race-related insinuation. Read your posts again and mark down how many times you engage in ethnic and race identification and denigration.

2) You called Truong Diep young and inexperienced and, as clearly insinuated, not deserving of people's support. Yet, he beat you fair and square. You did not like the result (because you lost) and blamed it on the way he campaigns. Yet, has he done anything illegal or unethical? Now that he has been in office for nearly 1-1/2 year, has he done anything to bring shame and dishonor to the Midway Sanitary District?

3) You disrespect your Vietnamese-American neighbors and fellow Westminster residents by making the incredble claim that they voted for Truong Diep because Van Tran strongly supported him. Who are you kidding? Is the Vietnamese community in third grade?

Ask yourself this simple question: What have I really done over the years to deserve the trust and support of my Vietnamese-American neighbors and fellow voters? The anwser is self-evident.

4) You can support Janet Nguyen all you like. But you must admit that she is disliked by A LOT of people. She goes out of her way to alienate them. This is not an opinion, but a fact. Can they all be wrong and stupid? Janet Nguyen is "extremely" nice and polite because you are doing her bidding. Talk to people who refused to play her little games and you will get to see the dark side of Janet Nguyen.

If you are interested in running for and winning a seat on the Westminster City Council, you should not try to alienate 40% of the City's population with your simplistic comments about race and ethnicity. You come out sounding like a red-neck. Instead of fighting the machine, as you seem to be obsessed with it, build your own, or you can walk and will never get there.

Sore Loser:
Wow, talk about dragging this on.....how long is your post??? My logic is working fine, it's your spin that's attempting to confuse folks reading these posts.

The references to Vietnamese are simply explaining what happened, how people felt about it, etc. I have some Vietnamese friends that I absolutely love and wouldn't trade for anything in the world. And, actually they think my evaluation of this situation is right-on.

As to Trung Diep...I do not wish to express any further opinions about him here, they seem to be twisted and ill used. YOU may check his record in his current position and determine if he has done the right things for the Sanitary District, and draw your own conclusions.

An incredible claim that the Viet community voted for Trung Diep because Van Tran supported him? Humm, that's funny. There was an entire page ad in a Viet newspaper funded in part by Van Tran and all the Viet candidates (with the exception of Janet Nguyen) that urged the Viets to vote as a "block" because they could win the election if they voted only for these candidates. And I guess quite by accident all of those candidates were elected....with the exception of Trung Nguyen.

What have I done to deserve th trust and support of my Vietnamese-American neighbors and fellow voters? I have been honest, straightforward and without "spin" on what's really going on here. If they appreciate honesty, then I've done my job.

Wow and your next one is really quite creative..."You can support Janet all you want but you have to admit she is disliked by a lot of people" - yes a lot of people that really wanted her job and a few very dedicated bloggers who like to slam her every chance they get. And SHE goes out of HER way to alienate them? That's a hoot! The organization that organized the Tet Parade didn't invite the 1st District Supervisor to participate in the parade, but featured other Viet elected officials..so who is alientating who here?

Janet is nice to me because I'm doing her "bidding"? That I'm taking this lamblasting from you and a few others I can handle, but it isn't doing Janet's bidding. I do my own bidding. Who's bidding are YOU doing? And talk to people who refused to play her little games and you will see the "dark side" of Janet Nguyen? LOL that seems pretty funny to me since the only dark side I've seen has been her opposition's!

And really, who ever said I was interested in running for the Westminster City Council? I ran before, it costs too much money and too much time. And as for alientating 40% of the population? Perhaps I'm just trying to wake them up to the beat of a new drummer.

I am no red-neck. I am just about the most diversity supportive person you could find. I have friends of all races, creeds and economic status. I've had these friends for years and years. I don't see their color, I don't see their ethnic identity. I see them as people I love.

What am I fighting? I'm not. I just want people to wake up to what seems to me to be a "machine" that seems to have little diversity in mind.

ivian,

Fact is you ALWAYS blame your election lost to a group pf Vietnamese Republican political activists and elected officials. You should look first within youself and see why you failed with your own campaign. It is as simple as that.

If your so-called reference is not insinuated race-baiting, then none of us will know what it is. Please do not insult the readers' intelligence.

As for the Tet Parade, it's a well-known fact, but you again failed to check or intentionally ignore, Janet Nguyen's attempt to sabotage the event. She had the County Counsel issue a threatening letter to the organizers, specifically asking them to remove her name. It was an unnecessarily antagonistic and stupid move from he, and the organizers obliged by disassociating her from the Parade. This is all public info. for everyone to read. It was even in Martin Wiskol's blog in the OC Register, as well as in the Red County Blog. If you can't even face this fact, what can you really digest as truth?

As for Janet Nguyen, read the OC Weekly profile on her that ran a couple months ago. It was also posted on this blog. Everyone from her friends, employer, benefactor, have disowned her. In fact, they all hate her. The article was just a small tip of the iceberg on Janet Nguyen. Perhaps they're all wrong and you and her are right? Your bias and selective prejudice are laughable.

Don't pat yourself too hard on the back, or risk dislocating your own shoulder when it comes to your relations with the Vietnamese community, which is non-existent. God will judge you on whether you are honest and straightforward. But when it comes to your "reference" to the Vietnamese community or people, it's laced with insinuation and racism. You really are not fooling anyone but yourself if you continue to cary on this line.

Well, I guess I have been insulted enough with your lies and insinuations. I will not respond further to your commentary.

Yes, God knows the truth, I wonder if you do.

Anon @ 12:07 PM, aka Vivian Kirkpatrick-Pilger,

So, you are out of logic and arguments on your own position and are now resorting to name calling. Real thoughtful.

Vivian:

You said that you have "a lot of empathy" for Janet Nguyen. Do you have a lot of empathy for her breaking the law due to iligal moeny soliciation and receiving a hefty $5,000 fine from the FPPC and a nice letter from the California Department of Justice? How come you did not come out and say something then if you are so fair and righteous?

What about Andy Quach's 11,500 dollar fine.

Janet and her decoy Vivian work close with Art.P...... Art has voted for Obama in Ca. Primary and he is strong anti-republican.

Reagan Republican:
I'm no one's decoy. I've never met Art "P".

If you use any more pseudonyms to post we will think you have multiple personalities. Well, you probably do. Sore Loser=FPPC Watch=Student=other sore loser, etc.

All your questions have been asked multiple times on both threads. I can only answer them the same way each time, although you seem to be very creative with the insulting way you write them. If you don't understand the answers then you should probably do some more self-examination. I believe someone asked you to do that once already. You seem to be typical of the harrassing and bullying cadre of people that give their souls up to the machine.

Have a nice day.

Hey Vivian:

What's up with Janet's illegal political solicitation and the 5K FPPC fine. You seem to have an opinion on everything else. Something caught your tongue?

Re FPPC Watch,

Janet Nguyen is so dim and frustrated that she would pick fights with .... Andy Quach? You're winning lots of friends and supporters.

Sore: you seem to think I know everything about Janet. In fact I don't. I have no clue about any illegal political solicitations except what I've read on here..and let's face it, when you read it on this site as quoted by some of you - well, let's just say it might be a little biased.

But someone put something on here about an FPPC fine that Quach got, do you know anything about that?

FYI

Andy Quach is not running for Supervisor. Janet is.

Vivian,

There's no bias when the info are just facts on Janet Nguyen getting a fine by the FPPC.

Again you twist my words. The bias just consists of your overall opinion and expression of same with regard to anything to do with Janet. It's really pretty plain even to an untrained observer.

Anon @ 12:02 pm aka, Vivian Pilger,

Funny how the pot calls the kettle black. The sad thing is you can't seem to separate the facts from your opinion.

Here, let's get you some help: "Janet Nguyen is a bad person" is an considered an opinion. "Janet Nguyen broke campaign laws and was fined $5,000.00 by the FPPC" is a FACT.

Here's another example: Vivian Pilger blindly supports Janet Nguyen is considered an opinion. Vivian Pilger lost her re-election bid to Truong Diep is definitely a fact. Got it?

Vivian, you have a disturbing mental disorder or have a big gap between neurons. Your old Dem. leaning mentality might be causing some problems here. Do you think I am a "sore loser" , "FCC..", or "student"?. Why don't you go ask Obama supporter, Art for better instructions in engaging conservative Reagan Republican?

Vivian knows Janet and Art P .....among other liberal lefties. These lefties are the brains in formation of new Westminster CRA unit. Well, all locals know about this known secret...........poor Vivian is having hard time hiding/defending these lefties.

No, I don't know Art P. I don't hang out with liberals, and I know only a few of them. If you are a Reagan Republican then you would KNOW this. Every one of the persons in the new CRA are long known conservatives that do more in a day for this country than you have probably done in your lifetime. They will march out into the open when the time is right. Keep burying yourselves. You may all be shocked ....

The best defense is a good offense eh? Well go ahead, spew your hatred and lies. It clearly defines what "camp" you are in. The one that lost.

And, you might want to "get over" what happened last election. I have. The loss of my election doesn't bother me, which cracks me up because you still think it does.

I've been doing other things that are equally as important to this country and our county and city without the added pressure of holding office.

" I've been doing other things........" Vivian, we know after the election you started hanging around with MORE liberal lefties + wrong people. Remember when Art P. quit republican party?
.....and when you talked really bad about OC GOP and our elected republican officials?

Do you still need more help in retrieving your distant memories?
I will have to start charging you for my help.

I don't belong to any camp. Got no skin in the game. But reading these postings, I must say that Vivian needs a lot of help. Her rationale is not persuasive at all.