Just The Facts: CRA And The Proposed Westminster RA.
Posted by: Mike Spence | 02/18/2008 2:31 PM
It is amazing how many people seem to know all the decisions made by the CRA Board and the Charter Review Committee.
I was amazed to read the CRA Board of Directors had approved the application of the Westminster RA Charter AND taken land from OCAVRA. For the record the final vote, IF there is a challenge will take place at our board meeting held in conjunction with CRP Convention in Sacramento.
I spoke to Peggy Mew and the Charter Review Committee has not made a final decision yet on how all the boundariesd will work. Some of the issues revolve around the original charter and possible changes that were made later. BTW The original charter submitted by the OCAVRA had no members in the city in Westminster. The OCAVRA land issue is complicated by our bylaws as well.
So this is being sorted out by the book. Several of these units were formed before my time and the records are incomplete. This of course complicates matters.
A quick word about "shell" units. This accusation is made against almost every new unit that pops up. Some of these units while called "shell" units do more than some of the "real" units. For over a year I heard about a "shell' unit in San Diego. A few weeks ago that unit hosted a debate for Congressional candidates and had 100 people there. Another "shell" unit in Northern California collected 1000 signatures for the referendum to overturn SB 777.
I would love another 100 "shell" units if that is their output.
I know some people don't like candidates forming units. The reality is many of our established units were first formed by candidates. Some candidates are long gone, but the units are still active.
Finally, again all disputes go to the CRA Board and then can go to the Annual Convention. There is some complaining from people that haven't paid dues to CRA in a decade about new units. Of all the complaints, not once has a new unit been challenged at the Board or State Convention in the last four years. If this one does, it will be resolved.
Some of the posts complaining about these units should be titled, "I didn't get involved, follow the rules and I didn't like the outcome."
Mr. Ayer registered as a Republican to be electable in an interim election with no incumbents. He did...
Thank you Mike. Well said.
However I did get a copy of an email that said our Westminster Unit had been approved. I believe that no "land had been taken" from anyone in the formation of the new Westminster CRA. It is also nice to know that the Original charter from the OCAVCRA didn't have any members from Westminster when chartered. I would think that might have some bearing on this.
Vivian
(Not a "Shell Unit" President of the Westminster CRA)
Thanks Mike for the clarification. I just hope that there is some type of a guard system against newly organized CRA units from purposefully endorsing Dem. leaning, unpopular and name only-republicans.......... threfore, damaging the real value of the CRA endorsements
Vivian,
That is why the AND was in the sentence.
Thank you Mike.
You would think GOPers would be happy to see new clubs forming, but some fear losing control of their shrinking worlds.
Student,
All local endorsements are done well, locally. The safeguard is that members do their due dilligence.
Hey Vivian Kilpatrick-Pilger,
Who appointed you El Presidente of the CRA Westminster? God help us all if you are the "lead conscience" of the Republican Party in Westminster.
Vivian, you are not a respected person in the Westminster community and people are surprised to see that you want to become a over night, self-appointed, president to the honorable most conservative organization such as CRA.
Many people think you are as liberal as Dems. and we are worried about your qualification to lead new CRA chapter.
Been Around,
New GOP Clubs forming would be great, but not under suspicious circumstances and timing, and by people who have axes to grind and with their own agenda. Are you one of them?
Mike, Vivian claims she has received the green light to be the president of the Westminster CRA. My first question is, how did she actually became the president of this new group?
Second, people are saying Janet,our unpopular Dem/Republican Supe. asked Vivian to form this CRA unit for the Supervisorial endorsement passage purpose... if this was the truth, how can we count on new local member's due dilligence?
Having more units established is one thing but this Vivian's new unit needs careful examination ....... thanks, Mike.
Dear Student: Your first question was, "how did she actually became (become) the president of this new group?"
Well, I received a unanimous vote of the membership that's how.
Second: "people are saying" is so vague, really, that's how people start rumors. But to let you know Janet DID NOT ASK VIVIAN TO FORM THIS CRA UNIT.
You said "having more units established is one thing but this Vivan's new unit needs careful examination".... Well, Student, perhaps if the OC American Vietnamese CRA (with a broad geographical area, very unspecific and an ethnic identification within the name) had received more scrutiny before it was allowed to become a "unit" we wouldn't be in this situation. But the CRA is trying to work that out now.
Hope this let's you sleep better.
Vivian,
Do tell us who voted for you, where and when this take place and how many people showed up? It's important to have transparency.
Anonymous:
Who voted for me: it was unanimous. Everyone who wanted to form the new CRA. Some people don't want their names posted on here to become targets.
When: I already told you that - January 2008.
Where: A private home
How many people showed up? about 25 but they couldn't all sign up for the new CRA because some of them already belonged to other units of CRA.
Hope this answers your questions.
Vivian, I did not know you are aka Mike.... thanks for answering the questions for Mike's behalf.
There are people saying that you have volunteered your self to be the president of the Westminster CRA and the official voting has not taken place for your new group. Where and when did announcement was made for your unit's presidential election? They said you have made no such announcement.
Vivian, yes, you may speak now and another small thing.....if your intention and your group being legitimate and pure, why do you worry about being targetted by the blog readers?
Here is the real problem, due to you past un- republican conducts many feel that you should not appoint yourself to be the president of the conservative organization... we hope real election will take place soon to elect real proud republican to the post in public.
Dear Student:
You are funny. I have been a Republican probably since before you were born. I have done so many things to protect and defend the constitution of the United States that I can't even remember everything. I have marched, I have phone banked, I have done mailings, I have spoken, I have run for office, I have held office, I have looked at the long range of infrastructure so the burdens do not fall to the children of our generation that used that infrastructure (and built it); I have signed petitions, I have carried petitions, I have delivered fliers for candidates door to door, I have written articles that have been published in newspapers, and all of this has been done from the far-right wing of the Republican platform.
As I explained, I did not appoint myself, I was voted in unanimously. And I have not done any "un republican conducts" as you say it. I don't know where you get your information; but apparently you are mis-informed.
And yes, our intent is purely to be participants in the CRA, in right wing conservative campaigns and activities. Some of our members really don't want to be involved on blogs or be named in them. That is their right and I will respect that (another American right). But you know that if we didn't have a legitimate unit claim, there would not be this controversy swirling around and you wouldn't be on here asking me these questions.
Vivian, I am still wating for the answer....... Where and When did announcement was made of your group's presidential election?
As we are reading your responses we have more questions than answers of you and your unit.. Do we hear another Obama advertisement pitch ?.... why does people think you are Dem. leaning, unsuccessful politician?
Again, don't you agree for the sake of clarity, your group needs proper and official unit- presidential election soon?
Student - we had an election in January. We waited for the CRA to ratify the formation. They did, then there was a "challenge" filed. We await the determination of that . Read the first post in this thread. Get it yet?
Vivian, you may be new to our blog.... having said that, we don't write things just to be funny here.
You are under our radar watch for the right reasons and we are more informed than you wish to believe.
You need to set aside of your personal ploy and hidden agenda against our good conservative OC republicans. Then, relinquish your self appointed title.
No, actually I am not NEW to this blog.
So with your implied threats of the invasion of my privacy and implied accusations of lies, I will have no further dialogue with you. Attempting to impune my integrity will get you nowhere.
Vivian, you still can't give us the truth....... and that is all right.
There will be NO invasion of privacy and No threats because we are good conservative republicans. We want to tell the truth for the readers.
We are just tired of liberal Dems or Independent people coming out calling themselves republicans during the endorsement/election seasons ..............or taking important conservative leadership positions with shady maneuvers.
My sincere hope is that CRA would wait on this "Westminster RA" unit in giving the full green light until later date.... We have great respect for the CRA organization...... they truly represent our values.