No Reason to Contribute to Hutchens
By Adam D. Probolsky | 04/30/09 | 05:50 PM EDT | 14 Comments
People give to politics for numerous different reasons: they like the individual, they agree with their policies, they are hoping to get in on the ground floor of a long career in politics, they are compelled to give by a friend who has a connection to the candidate or issue.
Appointed Sheriff Sandra Hutchens has only one of those things going for her, the one where a handful of people who bought into her appointment are twisting the arms of friends to contribute.
I will further analyze each of the reasons why Appointed Hutchens is a bad candidate for raising money on a series of posts to come.
But in the mean time, don't let anyone bully you in to writing a check to an appointed official who bring none of the attributes of a good candidate/elected official to the table.
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Attributes like handing out CCWs and badges to all his pals? You Carona people just don't get it. Your hero is on his way to prison. Get over it.
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|Daniel: Does this mean you support the current CCW policy? Do you also agree that the current structure is sufficient? I assert that the major issue with the OCSD is NOT the candidate: The BOS has no way of knowing what the OCSD does with taxpayer's money, for example. You are OK with that?
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|I gave Sheriff Hutchens the benefit of the doubt up until the Silence, Disarm, Ridicule & Obfuscate episodes (see post on the subject in this forum) associated with her handling of the LA-style CCW policy. However, to assert that Sheriff Sandra Hutchens has only one thing going for her, is not only invalid, but also underestimates the level of support she enjoys. On the other hand, in this forum I have discussed other candidates who were clearly more qualified, and continue to be. However, the major issue with the OCSD is not necessarily the candidate, but the structure: There is ZERO accountability, as in independent oversight. Consider that the state has yet to conduct any audits (for the contracted cities I have looked at) to assure taxpayers are indeed getting their law-enforcement money’s worth. Then there is the “free” access to the forensics lab: You know the OCSD is watching (snooping a better term) the Board of Supervisors, who watches the OCSD – whether it is on Sheriff Hutchens’ watch or anyone else’s for that matter?
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|Thank you Mr. Probolsky for telling it like it is with no political spin. It would be easy for a man like you who does business through out the county to play the political game and give her because South County fat cats are putting the squeeze on you. That would be the easy thing to do. But that would be business as usual. I hope others follow your example and send a message what we don't need to turn Orange County into Los Angeles with L.A. cop re-treds running our department. It's time for some fresh ORANGE COUNTY leadership to step up and send the other lady packing. Don't give even one dime to support L.A. political machines.
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|I rarely agree with Mr. Probolosky and this is one of those cases.
While I do not agree with Sheriff Hutchens’ apparent Disarm, Obfuscate, Silence and Ridicule approach to managing the OCSD, the issue is not the Sheriff, as much as it is the structure – and by the way, I have communicated with the BOS just as much, even BEFORE they hired the Sheriff.
Do you know that structurally the department has ZERO accountability? Have you watched the movie Changeling – about the LAPD circa 1930? Do you agree with the current structure?
Any “independent oversight”, including coverage by the OC Register presume the oversight is indeed independent – it is not.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is?: Keep changing Sheriffs, unless you change the structure, you will get the same results!
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|... and me for that matter.
But while I can't imagine why anyone would like her or agree with her, I'm sure some people do.
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|Adam,
didnt you suport Sandra Hutchins for her appointment to Sheriff? I believ you are acting out of retribution toward the sheriff for revoking your CCW Permit. can you tell me in clear language why you require the issue and priveledge of having a CCW? Are you being stalked? Do you carry large amounts of cash or jewels on a regular basis? Are you a dignitary of sort? do you receive frequent threats to your person or safety by competitors who are jealous of your monopoly(ies) in the survey/polling arena?
Can you convince me in no uncertain terms that you are NOT acting out of pure retribution for the Sheriffs removal of your falacial enhancement?
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|Nice mail-piece-spin response by "OC is not LA." Sounds like an obvious PR response by a friend of Mr. Probolsky (a Carona friend and supporter) to simply try to lend him some support/credibility. Heck, Mr. Probolsky probably wrote it himself. Hilarious.
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|Probolsky would probably still have his CCW if Hunt was in there as opposed to Hutchens.
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|Can you state why you support Hutchins?
I'm just curious if has anything to with your hatred of Carona or if you actually know anything about what she has been up to as Sheriff. The few Hutchins supporters I have encountered remind me of a lot of Obama supporters. No good reason to support either one can be given.
Comments like the one made by Daniel Budd are immature and lack any kind of substance. Get over it? Come on, that's weak.
Local news sources have outlined why she is doing poorly in her position. Who can say that Sheriff Hutchins is doing a good job and why? Anyone? Anyone at all?
This last comment is for Paul who replied to Adam's post. Who cares if Adam or anyone else supported Hutchins before she was actually appointed? How many people voted for Bush and ended up hating what he did in office? Who cares? The point is that she has lost his support and he can actually explain why. Can you explain why you support Hutchins? What has she done to earn your respect? My bet is that you will have no good response.
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|Richard,
To be honest, I dont support Sandra Hutchens. I didnt support any candidate for the office of Sheriff and I still dont. The person who holds that post really doesnt hold any significance in my life so I just dont give them any free rent in my head or in my daily life.
Im simply calling out Bull shit on Adam P. he lost his CCW perimt and now he is pissingmad about it. I personally own ssevral hanguns and rifles. All legally obtained. I do not personally feel the need to carry a concelaed weapon even though I could probably qualify for one under a typical OC Sheriff who dealt them out to anyone who asked.
I was under the impression that Sheriff Hutchins was taking the CCW's away from the Carona Cronies such as the guy who ulled one out on the golf course. Thats a good thing because I really dont want a whackado like that having a concealed weapon.
Adam had gotten his CCW simply because of his association with the former sheriff. I serioulsy doubt anyone with a legitimate reason for having a CCW would have been able to obtain one as easily as Adam did.
I dont support the shriff per say. because I simply dont know her personally and her position has no bearing on my life. But I do support her making guys like Adam P play by the rules. Even if he throws a Mantrum (Baby Tantrum thrown by a grown man) as a result. i think that his public response and his attempt to scuttle the Sheriffs fundraising for her election in the future shows me that I will vote for her. Not because of her performance. but because she stands up to the power player insiders who apparently need a falacial enhancement to feel like a real man.
I woder of he has a holster on his Mazaratt steering column.
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|Richard,
do you think I will be receiving a response from Adam or you on the motive behind Adam p's attack on Hutchins?
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|"...don't let anyone bully you into donating..."? That's an interesting way to couch your advice Adam. Exactly who has been bullying people into donating money to Sheriff Hutchens? It's easy to use a word like that and let everyone assume that there's bullying going on but doing so without adding context to the accusation is completely baseless and cheap.
Rather than throwing out a hastily crafted cautionary warning (with more to come) as if we are under attack from a pro-Hutchens army, why not put a coherent explanation together and let us decide on it's merit?
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|So how much did you contribute to Carona over the years?
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