I believe this was already posted in the Whitman County section of this blog.
This guy is either playing a skit, or is a serious clown considering the way he demeans himself. He's seems to be advocating the 'yoyoyo homie dis an dat' ignorant, loud, sex crazed black man stereotype.
Wow! So a young black man, using appropriate pejoratives and slang, who otherwise rejects the cultural braining washing of the left is nothing more than a court jester. I think you just made the young man's point!
IH said:
Where do you see 'appropriate prejoratives and slang'? I rarely see people speaking like that in business atmospheres, unless you work at a McDonalds or as a bouncer in a bar.
The conservative example used to compare against (one of them) was Colin Powell. Do you see Colin Powell speaking to people like this? How about Alan Keyes? JC Watts? Condileeza Rice? You would never see any of them with this mans demeanor. There is nothing wrong with who he is choosing to support, the problem lies in his stereotypical manner of explaining why he supports them. It furthers incorrect stereotypes. The fact that he implied part of the reason he supports Palin is because he finds here attractive is not only politically imbecilic, it borders on sexist.
By the way, not everyone who supports Obama has been 'brainwashed', just as not everyone who supports McCain is an 'ignorant redneck racist'. You arent going to win people to your side by insulting them for not supporting your candidate. I point to the current polls, and vast support for Obama among educated individuals as evidence of that.
Ah I see where you are going with this. You are using the conservative argument against Ebonics to blast this young man who has obviously escaped the reservation but still speaks with the dialect. I think what both complicates and legitimizes your argument is the fact that many people raised in ghetto environments are capable of speaking without the ghetto dialect and often do speak without it when they are outside of the ghetto. It is (and this is where your case is supported) like an actor from say Australia, that speaks with impeccable American English accent when performing.
Clearly the young man is speaking to those who remain on the reservation (ghetto mentality) and is therefore reverting to the common dialect just as the actor would go back to his/her native dialect when appearing on Leno.
I think it is a bit presumptive of you to deny one the right to communicate in a fashion common to the audience. I also reject your inference that such an ability is nothing more than an act or a performance. I think you need to go back and really listen to what the guy is saying. The message he is preaching is far more important than the accent he uses to convey it. But you can't really argue with the content, so you go after his racial identity.
IH said:
Its not totally a conservative argument against ebonics (though I agree with conservatives concerning prevention of the use of ebonics in schools), its an argument against portrayal of oneself in a fashion which allows stereotypes to progress.
Although this man probably felt differently, I dont feel using the 'native dialect' will change peoples minds very much. This may be an attempt to 'reach out', but in this election particularly, I dont think it will be taken with much seriousness.
Once again, you need to take into consideration that this man is not speaking to you or me (though I seem to be a lot more accepting of his message than you). He is speaking to a group of people that are completely unconcerned with what is going on outside of their local community and frankly do not trust anyone that speaks in a tongue that they themselves speak in.
Linda Lucy S in SCV said:
Thank for the video Kevin.
The young man makes EXCELLENT POINTS that hopefully some of the younger generation of voters will hear and understand.
Didnt the Yes on 8 leaders did the same behavior as the No supporters back in October? http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/prop8threatletter.pdf...
I believe this was already posted in the Whitman County section of this blog.
This guy is either playing a skit, or is a serious clown considering the way he demeans himself. He's seems to be advocating the 'yoyoyo homie dis an dat' ignorant, loud, sex crazed black man stereotype.
Wow! So a young black man, using appropriate pejoratives and slang, who otherwise rejects the cultural braining washing of the left is nothing more than a court jester. I think you just made the young man's point!
Where do you see 'appropriate prejoratives and slang'? I rarely see people speaking like that in business atmospheres, unless you work at a McDonalds or as a bouncer in a bar.
The conservative example used to compare against (one of them) was Colin Powell. Do you see Colin Powell speaking to people like this? How about Alan Keyes? JC Watts? Condileeza Rice? You would never see any of them with this mans demeanor. There is nothing wrong with who he is choosing to support, the problem lies in his stereotypical manner of explaining why he supports them. It furthers incorrect stereotypes. The fact that he implied part of the reason he supports Palin is because he finds here attractive is not only politically imbecilic, it borders on sexist.
By the way, not everyone who supports Obama has been 'brainwashed', just as not everyone who supports McCain is an 'ignorant redneck racist'. You arent going to win people to your side by insulting them for not supporting your candidate. I point to the current polls, and vast support for Obama among educated individuals as evidence of that.
Ah I see where you are going with this. You are using the conservative argument against Ebonics to blast this young man who has obviously escaped the reservation but still speaks with the dialect. I think what both complicates and legitimizes your argument is the fact that many people raised in ghetto environments are capable of speaking without the ghetto dialect and often do speak without it when they are outside of the ghetto. It is (and this is where your case is supported) like an actor from say Australia, that speaks with impeccable American English accent when performing.
Clearly the young man is speaking to those who remain on the reservation (ghetto mentality) and is therefore reverting to the common dialect just as the actor would go back to his/her native dialect when appearing on Leno.
I think it is a bit presumptive of you to deny one the right to communicate in a fashion common to the audience. I also reject your inference that such an ability is nothing more than an act or a performance. I think you need to go back and really listen to what the guy is saying. The message he is preaching is far more important than the accent he uses to convey it. But you can't really argue with the content, so you go after his racial identity.
Its not totally a conservative argument against ebonics (though I agree with conservatives concerning prevention of the use of ebonics in schools), its an argument against portrayal of oneself in a fashion which allows stereotypes to progress.
Although this man probably felt differently, I dont feel using the 'native dialect' will change peoples minds very much. This may be an attempt to 'reach out', but in this election particularly, I dont think it will be taken with much seriousness.
Once again, you need to take into consideration that this man is not speaking to you or me (though I seem to be a lot more accepting of his message than you). He is speaking to a group of people that are completely unconcerned with what is going on outside of their local community and frankly do not trust anyone that speaks in a tongue that they themselves speak in.
Thank for the video Kevin.
The young man makes EXCELLENT POINTS that hopefully some of the younger generation of voters will hear and understand.
This would be a gr8 PRIME TIME interview