Let me start this article by saying this: I confess from the start that this is a very, very passionate issue for me. I am not a fan of Ron Paul, and I respond with passion and sometimes vitriol at times when I am confronted with Paulites (my term for those who are devout Ron Paul supporters). I freely admit that I have an axe to grind here, but I deny that my agenda is a result of irrational or unhealthy dislike. In fact, I am going to argue that it is all that I like about Ron Paul that has made me so passionately opposed to him.
I am writing this article for one of two categories of Ron Paul supporters: The well-meaning folks who appreciate Ron Paul’s rhetoric regarding freedom and limited government. The other category of Ron Paul supporters, those who are consciously self-aware in their belief that America is a bad guy military bully, and needs to sit idly by in an isolationist sense as a matter of foreign policy, are not the target of this article. I disagree with them with every ounce of breath in my body, but I have no hope that I might be able to persuade them. The latter group is aware of the things I am going to say in this article, and they do not care. I am hopeful that the former group will feel that the facts I present in this piece are new information, and warrant a change in their perspective.
I am an advocate of the freedom movement in this country. I believe, along with Ron Paul, that the United States federal government has morphed into an egregious behemoth, violating its own Constitutional jurisdiction on a daily basis. I believe that the federal government was created by the people, for the people, and that if we do not reign in its size and jurisdiction, it will one day represent the end of the Republic (fortunately, I have every confidence that we will be successful in that endeavor, incrementally). I have spent the last fifteen years studying economics and finance, and believe that Ron Paul has some wise things to say on the subject of a strong U.S. dollar. I am not a pure Austrian economist, as Paul is, but I was heavily influenced by many of their leaders when I first became obsessed with the subject, and believe there is a lot to be learned from Von Mises and some of the early Austrian economists.
But my love of freedom economics and my desire for a limited, Constitutionally-constrained federal government has not caused me to jump on the Ron Paul bandwagon. In fact, and this is the most important line I will write in this article, it is my deep appreciation for where Ron Paul is right that has caused me to so emphatically reject him where he is wrong.
Put differently, Ron Paul is his own worst enemy, and because I care so much for the freedom movement, I believe Ron Paul and his more extremist followers are doing irreparable harm to that very cause in our country. How could I possibly jump on that bandwagon?
I want to start my indictment of Ron Paul where I will surely end it: With the linking of Ron Paul to the fanatical Lew Rockwell. It is dangerous ground when one seeks to take down a person by simply associating him with someone else. As we all know, it is actually a logical fallacy of the first order. But that’s not what I’m doing here because Ron Paul is not merely “associated” with Lew Rockwell; he is Lew Rockwell. And he makes no attempt to deny this or cover it up.
I encourage those of you who are wondering what I am talking about to go spend some time at http://www.lewrockwell.com/. It is one of the most insidious properties in the entire web universe. I believe that those of you who are in that camp of Ron Paul followers I am trying to reach may conclude that Ron Paul does not deserve to be linked to Lew, but I do not believe you will attempt to defend this man and his extremist and vile views. My challenge is this: go spend ten minutes on Lew’s website every day for one month, and then decide if you have the stomach to support Ron Paul. In that month you are likely to hear that Winston Churchill was a worse war criminal than Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler. You will hear celebration that Tony Snow died of cancer (because he did, after all, support the Iraq war). You will find out that Lew believes the Constitution is a statist document. You will read that the men and women serving our military are despicable little immoral creatures, trained to kill innocent parties. I do not need to rhetorically beat up on Lew; he will be his own best accuser. The man is beyond the pale, and the only possible justification for someone supporting Ron Paul after becoming familiar with Lew Rockwell is that one just does not believe that the two are one and the same. But this is an irrefutable fact. Allow me to continue …
I became familiar with Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul in the mid-1990’s after being introduced to Murray Rothbard, the now deceased Austrian economist. Rothbard and my dad died around the same time, and I became fascinated with the intersection of Austrian economics and the freedom movement. I attended every Von Mises Institute conference I could find, and read every book their movement ever published. Ron Paul spoke at every one of these events, and when I wasn’t listening to John Denton say that America had no business getting into World War II, or Bob Barr saying that the federal government (not Tim McVeigh) blew up the building in Oklahoma City, I was intrigued by much of what their movement had to say. As I got older and wiser, I began to realize that the heir of Friedrich Hayek was Milton Friedman, not Murray Rothbard, and that this “Austrian economics movement” was a front for an extremist form of anti-war zealotry. Every single conference break was filled with the most radical of conspiracy theorists you have ever heard, and the political intentions of the major brains behind their operation were not hidden: utter anarchy. If I had a nickel for every time someone suggested that insurance companies could come replace the federal government in a given task, I would have a lot more nickels than these people have. But it was an educational experience for me, and my transition out of it began before 9/11. It was 9/11 that completed my paradigm shift away from all these people stood for.
I spent several hours speaking with Ron Paul shortly after 9/11. He informed me that the Islamist threat was a made up one, just as the Communist threat of the 1950’s and 1960’s was. He told me, to my face, in his own words, that Lew Rockwell and his people were the only ones calling a spade a spade: America did deserve what the Islamists were trying to do to us, and if we simply learned to leave them alone, they would in turn leave us alone. It was among the most despicable and disappointing conversations I have ever had with another adult. (I think the conversation I had with Lew Rockwell where I asked him why they never have Thomas Sowell speak at their conferences was another one; he informed me that Sowell was an American propagandist who was a puppet for the war machine and an economic ignoramus; it’s Austrian or bust for Rockwell).
Any cursory glance at Lew’s website shows that Ron Paul has written hundreds of articles for Lew. Rockwell was Paul’s chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, a period of time where some have told me that Lew still had some degree of sanity. Lew has published Ron’s books. He has Paul speak at nearly every one of his conferences (to this day). And he sometimes accompanies Paul in campaign travels. Lew Rockwell is widely known to be the man who ghost-wrote for Ron Paul throughout the 1980’s and 1990’s. I don’t really need to elaborate on the connection between the two – neither one of them will make any attempt to deny it. The two are joined at the hip politically, financially, and ideologically (Ron Paul’s newsletter claimed income of $940,000 in 1993). Lew was the vice-chair of Paul’s Presidential exploratory committee. The two are close friends, and while Lew Rockwell does not have the name recognition that Ron Paul does, their careers and missions have been completely over-lapped for three decades.
The question is, “what is such a big deal?” Lew Rockwell ghost-writing some of the most vile and racist garbage you have ever seen for Ron Paul is one thing, but it is not the subject of my critique here. I would suggest to my readers who are fond of the Congressman, that he is indeed responsible for his associations. One cannot spend thirty years connected to holocaust-deniers, anti-semites, and explicit anarchists without red flags going up. For what it is worth, I do not believe Ron Paul is a holocaust denier or an anti-semite. I think he is worse. I think he is a coward. Ron Paul knows full well that his closest connections are a mixed bag of the most extremist sort of anarcho-capitalists you have ever seen. He refuses to engage these subjects. He does not publicly dispute their claims. He sits on the sideline, collecting $30 million in campaign contributions as a candidate who has never won a single state primary (in what seems like a million attempts, starting in 1988), but is never asked to separate himself from his indefensible friends. It is appalling.
I am happy to focus my article about Ron Paul on his extraordinary errors in matters of foreign policy, but the sad reality is that Ron Paul is entitled to believe that America is the source of the world’s woes (which he does believe), that America has provoked the Islamist butchers (which he does believe), and that America can function just fine by simply ignoring everybody all over the world. The analogy I have used is this: If I had a roommate, and an intruder came into our apartment with a weapon, and my roommate informed me that he did not believe the intruder was really a threat, I would not focus my efforts on persuading my roommate that the man was a threat. I would focus my efforts on the intruder.
Thus, I do not care if Ron Paul and his followers do not believe that the Jihadists are a threat to the United States of America. Delusions abound. I care that the people who lead our country at least believe that the jihadists are a threat, and as long as Ron Paul continues to lose every single primary he ever enters, I have no fears that the United States will ever adopt a foreign policy that says “you have to wait until the intruder is at your borders to respond” (the explicit foreign policy of Ron Paul). In 2008 this man stood on the stage at a Republican candidate debate and said that “the 9/11 hijackers were just a few thugs with box-cutters.” His foreign policy worldview is not merely one of opposing U.S. intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan; he believes that America is the provocateur in global activity. His worldview would never allow America to properly defend herself. Now, reasonable people can disagree about this subject (and many know I was once dangerously influenced by the perspective of the isolationists as well). My concern is not Ron Paul’s errors on this subject. My concern is that he has used the freedom movement to generate name recognition and fame, and then through sleight of hand converted the popularity over his limited government rhetoric to promote an agenda of anti-Americanism and military isolationism.
I believe America is spending itself into oblivion. I believe that the Fed has embarked on a Keynesian mission that is going to result in dramatic monetary price inflation and currency depreciation. I believe the federal government has over-stepped its boundaries in nearly every single category one could imagine. But I do not see Ron Paul making a dent in any of these causes. Besides accusing Ben Bernanke in a Congressional panel a couple years ago of the Fed being involved in Watergate and secretly funneling money to Saddam Hussein, Ron Paul’s role in advancing the cause of limited government and a monetary policy of common sense is, shall we say, minimal. He uses every opportunity when in front of a microphone to advance the cause of military isolationism. It is a tragedy. Somehow, some way, this guy has an audience, and he really does have an opportunity to impact the cause of freedom. But the tragedy of Ron Paul is that he has chosen to be more of a puppet for Lew Rockwell and the modern-day John Birchers of our society than he has for a sensible kind of freedom economics. I suppose it is somewhat explainable that many evangelicals have been lured in by his rhetoric. But if I told you a few years ago that one of the most popular names in evangelical politics was going to be the only guy in the race who supported gay marriage and the legalization of prostitution, would you have believed me? Paul has a prima facie case for both (though he is also wrong on both), but how many evangelicals do you think even know of Paul’s views on these subjects? I don’t think very many do, and the reason why is because Ron Paul rarely discusses these matters. His platform to promote a “blame America first” foreign policy is so important to him, that he will not jeopardize his “credibility” by publicly saying in the national media that he believes “Abraham Lincoln was a warmonger,” or that “the cold war was a figment of our imaginations”. He believes that America is a malignant “dictatorship,” yet somehow has been accepted into the mainstream of American politics.
American citizens have fallen for a handful of creepy characters over the years in one way or another (Ralph Nader, Lyndon Larouche, etc.), but this is different. Ron Paul’s core audience is made up of people who should know better. If we need to have a fair conversation about American foreign policy, let’s have it. But associating with the most ghastly of characters in Libertarianism is unforgivable, and we must do better. One does not receive a hall pass to be a lunatic, or to support lunacy, just because they get a few things right. Ironically, one of the defining selling points for Ron Paul is his alleged commitment to the Constitution. But this is what Paul’s chief-of-staff and ghostwriter, Lew Rockwell, has to say about the Constitution:
He argued that [the Constitution] represented a vast increase in government power and that this was its true purpose. It created a powerful central government, with the cover of liberty as an excuse. He used it as a case in point, and went further to argue that all constitutions are of the same type. In the name of limiting government — which they purportedly do — they invariably appear in periods of history when the elites are regrouping to emerge from what they consider to be near anarchy. The Constitution, then, represents the assertion of power.
When he finished, you could hear a pin drop. I’m not sure that anyone was instantly persuaded. He had challenged everything we thought we knew about ourselves. The applause was polite, but not enthusiastic. Yet his points stuck. Over time, I think all of us there travelled some intellectual distance. The Constitution was preceded by the Articles of Confederation, which Rothbard had described as near anarchist in effect. Who were these guys who cobbled together this Constitution? They were the leftovers from the war: military leaders, financiers, and other mucky mucks — a very different crew from the people who signed the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson was out of the country when the Constitution was passed.
And what was the effect of the Constitution? To restrain government? No. It was precisely the opposite, just as Hoppe said. It created a new and more powerful government that not only failed to restrain itself (what government has ever done that?), but grew and grew into the monstrosity we have today. It required a wholesale rethinking of the history, but what Hoppe had said that shocked everyone turns out to be precisely right — and this is only one example among many.
I’m speaking for multitudes when I say that he helped me understand democracy as a form of nationalization of the citizenry. We all became the government: or, we all became public property. And what happens to public property? It is overutilized and wasted because it is unowned by any one person or group of people in particular. Thus did the citizens become war fodder. We are taxed without limit. We have no way to restrain the state since no one in particular is made responsible for our plight. Our leaders are mere managers — not owners, like the monarchs — who are encouraged to loot and leave. They are there as covers for the real state, which is a faceless apparatus that is permanent and cares nothing for the value of the commonwealth.”
My challenge to Ron Paul and his benign followers is this: Come out and tell us if you agree with Lew Rockwell that the Constitution is a flawed document which invites statism. Tell us if you believe that the Winston Churchill statue at Hillsdale College is a travesty. Tell us if Abe Lincoln, FDR, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush are warmongers. I already know you believe all of this. And I am ready to engage that discussion.
But before we have that discussion, you have to tell your fans who you are. You told me face to face who you are: an anti-war zealot who believes America is an imperialistic dictatorship. Are your fans really cut from the same cloth?
I don’t believe the bulk of them are. But we cannot begin separating this all out until someone is willing to put their cards on the table. As someone who loves freedom, and believes that a more intelligent kind of conservatism must be presented to our citizenry, I am tired of the rhetoric of freedom and fiscal responsibility that comes from Ron Paul being tainted by his extremist views and lunatic friends. Let’s find a new national spokesman – someone who does not belittle the events of 9/11 as “just a few thugs with box-cutters.” There is a lot of work to be done. I encourage my friends who share a love for the freedom movement to rally behind the efforts of someone who is serious about getting it done.
Fundamentally, even people who are appalled at the Ron Paul connection to Lew Rockwell may still have a beef with me over the issue of foreign policy: There is a sort of trendiness to the idea that “America is not the policeman of the world” and I have seen more people quote President Eisenhower on the dangers of the “military industrial complex” in the last two years than I ever thought possible. I will live with my differences between the Paulites and myself over foreign policy. America is the leader of the free world, and that is a descriptive fact, not really worthy of being haggled over.
Our responsibility to defend ourselves and our way of life is totally and completely incompatible with Ron Paul’s view of foreign policy. America’s moral responsibility in preventing genocide is indisputable. If at the end of the day, a group of folks attracted to the rhetoric of freedom ideology believe that their objectives can be obtained without a strong and muscular foreign policy, they will find out the hard way that they are wrong. The ability of the United States to deter Jihadists, and better yet, to kill them before they kill us, will be the foundational condition on which a future “freedom at home” may be built. We are at war. We did not start the war. I hope and pray Ron Paul’s followers will come around on this. I know what will change their minds, and I do not like it.






























































Comments
Ron Paul 2012 Please
Please, if I may;
Constitutionally, legislatively, and morally, Ron Paul has no equal. His 22 year voting record speaks for itself.
Mr. Paul has not survived in politics for 22 years and maintain the ethics and morality he has by being anything other than stellar.
If You refute the above comment, then I please invite You to listen to him speak about key issues. He understands what is happening in the world and knows how to apply the basic principles of liberty to achieve the real change that America so desperately deserves.
American to American we are all on the same team. So I present Mr. Ron Paul as my Candidate for 2011 and invite anybody to meaningfully and respectfully debate why he is not the best for American and its people in 2012.
Ron Paul = A real change, not for special interest, but for America’s Interests!
Thank You for Your time
My sentiments exactly!
Thanks for reaffirming what I have felt about Ron Paul all along. I have never been comfortable with him and, to me, he is almost a Republican version of Obama. Lew Rockwell's comments say it all about Paul's campaign: he is NOT for limited government. When he states: "I'm speaking for multitudes when I say that he helped me understand democracy as a form of nationalization of the citizenry", how in the name of common sense can this be anything short of socialism?
I doubt if I will be sold on Ron Paul's qualifications and this article strengthens that position.
Thanks for posting this, David.
Lin McDowell
Colony Rabble blogger
Republican Version of Obama??
Lin, I think you miss the boat on this comment simply because you don't understand our own history, our constitutional law, and exactly what Ron Paul is saying and meaning in his public comments. He has shown himself to be extremely constitutional and lawful in all of his comments over the 22 years he has served the people of Texas.
Juan
He is not a qualified candidate because
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my article. Ron Paul/Lew Rockwell represent a fringe movement in American politics that is not compatible with conservatism. They deny the reality of an Islamic Jihadist threat, which puts you and I at risk. He has not passed any meaningful legislation in all his years in Congress. He will not win a primary again this year, but he will rack up a nice campaign bank account. I am glad he votes no on most of the things he votes no on, but we are setting the bar pretty low if that is the only criteria for heroism.
Ron Paul
Well then, let's call a spade a spade.
The Communist threat was a made up threat. Communism was financed by big money interests, and this is well documented. The most obvious example is Jacob Schiff's gift of $10 million to the Reds. It was kept alive in the Thirties by the Wheat to Russia program and recognition of the USSR by the Roosevelt Administration. It was built into a super power by Lend Lease. Why did the Roosevelt ally with Stalin to fight Hitler. BOTH of them invaded Poland. And, Stalin killed more people than Hitler. They were two of a kind.
Then in the Fifties, it was Building Bridges to the East, followed by "Detente" in the Sixties. Finally, even with all the American money being sent to our enemies, they collapsed. The Cold War was an engineered threat, and so is the terrorism that is coming out of the Middle East today.
The terrorist threat we are experiencing today is a direct result of the aggressive, intrusive foreign policy of our politicians. They have generated hatred against this nation by bombing and invading other nations, and interfering in their affairs. As Ron Paul pointed out, the removal of the elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mossadeq by the CIA, and replacing him with the Shah generated enough hatred against our nation to enable the radicals to come to power in that nation.
There is a big difference between "isolationism", and minding your own business. But special interests in this nation have spent big bucks buying our politicians to enable them to steal the resources of other nations, and to remove troublesome governments. It is not the US that is at fault - it is our politicians. I make that distinction very clearly. Hillary Clinton does not represent me.
I would like to see trade with other nations. I would like to have Americans visit those nations, and their citizens visit this country. But I don't want to get involved in wars that we don't have to fight. I am not ready to go to way to protect some other nation. And I don't want our politicians defining what "Our Interests" are. This is because unlike those politicians, I am not the tool of globalists and other special interests.
So, I agree with Ron Paul. I want to see Constitutional government restored, and I want to see an end to undeclared, unnecessary wars around the world.
Making fundamental Islam the
Making fundamental Islam the bogeyman, and casting Ron aside because his foreign policy is a GOOD DEFENSE, and not breaking our CURRENCY going into wars with imaginary terrorists. We have lost more civil liberties in the last 10 years, lost our sovereignty, and the Good doc is the ONLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATE out there.
The rest believe in TARP,
the FEDERAL RESERVE, etc.
This hit piece is soft in that it tries to persuade people new to the Doc, but those of us that know of Ron Paul, what he stands for, know that this man has the only cure to our country's woes...a good dose of the constitution.
I don't see any other Republican candidate have the kinda grass-roots following, or young-adult following in the colleges, nor do I see any other candidate that has the kind of support Ron Paul has from our Standing Military.
First they ignore you
then they make fun of you,
They fight you next, and lastly
you win (Ghandi)
I only hope enough Americans can see the light and know who is truly right for this country, if anyone else is elected, they will help usher in the North American Union...
and btw, HERMAN CAIN is a federal reserve apologist, who is trying to co-opt the movement just by sounding hip and counting on his fingers...
Sad
Like I said, some people are incorrigible. It is morally depressing that people like Greg Butko exist, but it is not surprising. The one very fortunate takeaway from all this is that Ron Paul is all bark, no bite. He will never make an inkling of difference in American politics. And he obviously can't be the only man defending the Constitution, when as I documented, he believes it is a statist document. Ron is a fun little fad right now for a few fanatical people. But real political and social change will come some day; it just won't come as a result of the moral egalitarianism of people like Ron and Greg.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you
I have looked at Ron Paul's voting record, I have listened to him, I believe in him.
I believe that Ron Paul knows that everyone, and I mean everyone, acts in their own best interest. Humans are flawed.
For example, I believe that the only reason we are in Iraq and Libya is OIL. The only reason we are STILL in Afghanistan is the lithium deposits.
Our military industrial complex runs the gov't, along with Goldman Sachs.
The only way our country will survive is if we go back to our roots and follow the constitution - that means that all non-enumerated powers go to the states. That will NEVER happen under the Dems or Repubs. If you think about it, you will know that is true.
Do you recall the budget debate between the Repubs and Dems? They were fighting tooth and nail over 60 billion dollars.....it's like a family is bankrupt and mom and dad are arguing over whether to purchase a new Cadillac or slightly cheaper Chevrolet, but in either case the vehicle will be 100% financed, yet they are bankrupt!
That will be the situation if we let either the Repubs or Dems keep power. I am fed up.
David Toland
What do you think conservatism is?
A more intelligent conservatism? How is ever growing bureaucracy and legislation even remotely conservative? How is our current foreign policy conservative? Think about whom we are fighting and their resources now think about how much we are investing to fight them and what it is costing us versus our return. There is nothing conservative about that.
Huh?
Dear Anonymous - I don't know what you are talking about. Why is the only antidote to Paulite extremism "ever growing bureacracy and legislation"?
The neocons are getting very
The neocons are getting very worried about the success that Ron's son Rand Paul is having as shown by this cover article in the Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/rand-paul-s-balancing-act_567612....
As for David's column, I don't agree with all the things Lew Rockwell has said nor all the things that Ron Paul has said or done. Does that mean I can't support him? Get real. Let's see who you end up supporting for President David and see if you agree with him or her on everything.
I don't trust Rand Paul,
I don't trust Rand Paul, because of his father and the fact he grew up around Lew Rockwell. He rejected all the looney toon positions of his father for most part to get elected last yr.
That said, in 2008 he campaigned for his dad and there is video of him from that campaign on Youtube where he is fearmongering over the "Amero" and NAU Conspiracy theory, as well as the idiotic Blowback excuse for Jihadist.
I think ultimately, Rand Paul is the biggest loser in "Ron Paul 2012" as he will endorse and campaign for his lunatic father and in the process expose himself to serious Conservatives. He will likely inherit the Paultard movement after 2012 and all the Cultist cash and take the platform of rank idiocy to the Senate, atleast until 2016 when he'd be voted out for it. Comes down to if he wants a Political career and chance at real influence, by rejecting his Father's idiocy....or if he'd like to take the Personality Cult's mantle and all the Cash donations and destroy the cause of Liberty in the process?
Rand Paul votes NO on Ryan Plan
Rand Paul joined the RINO's and voted against the Ryan plan, indicating he is indeed going the paulnut path to destruction.
Rand Paul pouts on Senate Floor during Netayanhu speech
http://lisagraas.com/2011/05/24/rand-paul-pouts-on-senate-floor-during-n...
awful
That's not even the half of it
You cannot truly appreciate Lew Rockwell's beliefs until you read a lot of his stuff. For starters, please enjoy these peaches about the Constitution, and how the founders were actually the first big government statists out to destroy peoples' liberties:
Title: Is Our Government Legitimate? (http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance120.html)
"Although we would certainly be much better off if we returned to the limited government that the Constitution was supposed to set up — and perhaps that is the best we can hope for — it would be better if we could return to the government that the Framers of the Constitution destroyed."
Title: A 21st Century Patriot's Dream (http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland25.1.html)
"The American Dream began to die when the Articles were lost To powerful interests who decided to make their Constitution our boss"
Title: The Constitution: The God that Failed (http://www.lewrockwell.com/buppert/buppert29.1.html)
"To put a ‘gun' in the hands of the new national government was the primary object, the great sine qua non, of the Constitution."
Ah, heck... why waste time reading all this stuff? Just go out and get yourself a "Bring Back the Articles of Confederation" T-shirt, brought to you by Lew Rockwell: http://www.cafepress.com/+bring_back_the_articles_of_confederation,4978676
Didn't know any of this stuff about your candidate, Ron Paul supporters? If you're going to be the 'patriots' you claim to be, maybe you had better be willing to take a genuine look at what he believes before you lock in your support for him.
Happened in Jan 2008
For all the so called mainstream republicans. I don't think any response will make guys wake up. So, I felt that you might want to judge for yourself. Take 90 seconds of your time to watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocWmkYsG-pU
Then ask yourself which is the real leader? Mr. Macho guy who keeps lying to you and tell you what you want to hear or someone who tells you the truth?
Mr. Bahnsen, Thanks for the
Mr. Bahnsen,
Thanks for the article. You're very perceptive.
I'd just like to throw in a heads up to supporters of Tenth Amendment Center that they came out squarely in the Ron Paul Camp yesterday(on Facebook), and their announcement was in the form of, and the gloves came off in a sudden, completely un-civil support of, the very first Lew Rockwell article posted at the top of the linked page. (Article: "Ron Paul Doesn't Know the Constitution?").
Ron Paul
Thanks for a thoughtful article. Ron Paul's supporters appear unwilling to explore his policies deeply, or he has attached himself to true believers. People like to ignore Paul's rough edges. But, it is not the edges that are the problem, it is the core. On the surface Paul and his supporters like to speak loudly about the Republic. But, at heart many reject the framers and the founding. Paul's thinking about Lincoln and the founding of the Republican Party is similar and equally disturbing. Paul's remarks are at times almost critic so it is good to see them put into contact through Rockwell. Frequently, Paul appears to be following Rothbard who also provides deep insights into otherwise fragmented remarks by Paul. Again Thanks.
lew links?
you make a lot of very serious claims about the content on lewrockwell.com but you didn't bother to provide specific links. You might respond, "just go look, you'll see that stuff there all the time!" That's a cop-out. If you say Lew advocated kicking puppies, I want a see link to Lew advocating puppy-kicking.
Thank you all for the comments
The response to this article has been extraordinary and I really do believe many in my target audience were assisted by it's content. I had no expectations that I would change the minds of the more cultish Paulites, so their feedback has not been a surprise. The GOP candidate I end up supporting in 2012 will be flawed; but he will not believe that Abe Lincoln and Winston Chuchill were morally inferior to Hitler and Stalin. Everyone has to have some standards.
Bahnsen
David, I really used to like your musings, but I think I was wearing blinders due to my fondness for your father, a real spiritual mentor to me.
This latest example of your histrionics has proven, once and for all, that your own blinders are firmly attached, and you are willing to let our Constitution burn to ashes, just because you don't care for certain people.
What a sad, petty position to find yourself in. One your father would never have boxed himself into. I pray you see the error of your ways - and soon, before you lead too many astray, and our country ends up in the infamous dustbin of history.
Really. Sad.
Isolationism
I stopped reading after isolationist came up. I suggest the author of this article invest in a dictionary because Ron Paul is an internationalist. Ron Paul wants to be economically engaged with the rest of the world. He's against embargoes and would lift the trade and travel restrictions on Cuba for example.
On foreign policy he is a non interventionist which in the old days was standard in the Republican party. Russell Kirk the father of modern conservatism wrote that the GOP always nominated people for President that showed caution restraint, and prudence in the matter of international affairs. If you read Ronald Reagan' s memoirs you will find out that he thought the United States should be neutral in the Middle East.
As for why we were attacked, Ron Paul is only repeating what our CIA has been saying for years. We suffered Blowback on 9/11. Chalmers Johnson(CIA) wrote a book called BLOWBACK!!
I suggest the author read up on Robert (Mr Republican) Taft and Howard (Warren's father) Buffett. William F Buckley shortly before he died said Ron Paul comes out of the Calvin Coolidge, Robert Taft wing of the GOP. The conservative wing.
WFB and Goldwater would've
WFB and Goldwater would've blackballed Paul out of the GOP and Conservative movement the same way they did Paul's intellectual idol Murray Rothbard, along with the Birch Society to make it possible for a Ronald Reagan to get elected.
also, Paul is no Robert Taft....who supported the creation of the United Nations, supported the Marshall Plan, supported the Truman Plan, promised "100 percent support for the Chinese National government on Formosa," advocated "occasional extensions ... into Europe, Asia, and Africa," and favored keeping six divisions in Europe, at least until the Europeans could defend themselves.
Ron Paul slanders Robert Taft among others, including the Founding Fathers.
LOL
Bill - I suggest you take it easy on the melodrama. And if you think my dad would have supported Ron Paul, you really don't know what you are talking about. But just try and calm down with the retarded drama; it is unbecoming of a grown-up male.
Sir, I question the validity
Sir, I question the validity of heeding the opinion of a full-grown man who lowers himself to the level of using "LOL" while simultaneously insulting the mentally disabled.
Paul is in Iowa right now
Paul is in Iowa right now about to speak to a influential Social Con group and is courting Huckabee Social Con voters.
He is telling them things that are the exact opposite of what he writes about in his latest book, not to mention his Prostitution and Heroin legalization under "First Amendment" logic.
He's also fancying himself as a great friend of Israel, which if you know much of his statements in recent yrs condemning Israel and siding with Hamas and the Palestianians or Iranians you know how big a joke this is. My guess is he figures nobody will read his book and the Media will not call him on his lies?
Further proof he's a flip flopping Politician trying to gain influence and advance his left wing foreign policy obejectives.
Ron Paul - President is a Dictator
Lew served one up today, from Ron Paul on house floor yesterday:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/88690.html
Ron Paul has integrity and is my choice for Pres
Ron Paul believes in freedom, sound money, and non-military-interventionism with other countries - free markets rule.
I agree with him.
It seems to me that the author believes that the United States always has pure motivations when we go to war. I disagree - look at Libya and Iraq, the only reason we invaded Iraq was for oil. I believe that countries, like people, always act in their own perceived best interests. Ron Paul understands this, the author does not.
I will support Ron Paul and I urge others to do the same.
-David T
Congressman Paul and his mature detractors....
Oh the highbrow invectives fly when "responsible" conservative types get to rail on Cong Paul & his supporters.....As one who has been so maturely dismissed(for years) by the stalwart Bolshevik defenders of the MilIndComp, CFR Neocon Empire Building and more and more State Security, I say "thanks" you SkinnerBox maze crawling flag AND banner waving Party Uber Alles types. I wont interrupt your ongoing blindly obedient worship at the altar of the RHETORIC of Ronald Reagan(who died some years ago)'s speechwriters- who was out of it(operational reality) by 84.....you can have your neocon chum and use it to go walk precincts for your responsible candidate
Mr. Bahnsen, I was linked to
Mr. Bahnsen, I was linked to this article from another website. I had in fact linked your article, under the title The Undiscerning and Dangerous Appreciation of Ron Paul, several times yesterday on other websites. I included your link in replies to Ron Paul supporters. Alas, there are some that fit into your category of those that will never abandon their idol, under any circumstances, no matter what proof you provide. These people have brains that are bankrupt of any rational thought, but think they are the rational ones, and so much more intelligent than anyone else. Many remind me of a very old commercial on TV, which displayed frying eggs, and said this is your brain on cocaine. I know that Paul, his campaign people, and his C4L project hit college campuses, as much as Obama does, if not more so, knowing that they can convince the young impressionable, undeveloped, inexperienced minds. Obama did this in 08 promising free or cheap college tuition, and the government taking care of all their needs forever. Hey, he promised hope and change, for or to what he did not provide any details. It has been forever that college students, a part of the "higher education" world, have thought they are the most brilliant people on earth. Poop on the parents, and those old folk, they just don't understand, they are so old fashioned, or so yesterday. This is the same population that Ron Paul is working on, the young and easily impressionable. Ron Paul is promising them legalized drugs, recently even heroine. I didn't think it took a college degree to become a prostitute, which he also wants to legalize. Unfortunately my generation, though not me, I don't have children, taught their offspring that life is all about them, their wants, desires, needs, they are all that mattered in life. Many of the males were feminized by the feminazies, and all but neutered. They don't have the guts or the courage it takes to go to war to defend the country that has been so good to them. Many of them see our soldiers as nothing more than war mongering killers and murderers. How pathetic. This is what Ron Paul is inciting, and the brainwashed refuse to see that he is not the Constitutional protector he claims to be. I've read many comments on the Daily Paul, with many calling to go back to the Articles of Confederation, a time of anarchy, as stated by George Washington. They are a radical fringe element, who are also deceiving the voting public claiming that Paul is Mr. Constitution, when in fact he is clearly trying to shove his world views down the throats just as Obamacare did. It takes time to recover from a total brainwashing, and many times gaining maturity and experience does the trick. As awful as it may sound, a bomb dropping on a Ron Paul meet-up, by the terrorists, might get them out of their delusional stupor. Absent that, there is no hope for the die-hards.
Anarchism - oooooh so scary
I'm an anarchocapitalist. I became one last year after a careful review of my positions due to libertarian influence starting with John Stossel, moving to Hayek, from there to the Mises institute and on to the arguments and some other great people like Stefan Molyneux (who doesn't like Ron Paul :P)
I only became a Ron Paul fan after accepting the conclusion that the state doesn't do anything well. This is an easy conclusion to make as it requires no leaps in logic and it excludes the double-think that is absolutely necessary for people like the author of this article.
How is it you can believe that the state is invasive, too big, inefficient, unproductive when it comes to welfare, regulation, etc. and then look at the military which is the biggest and dumbest part of government, that funds entire industries to produce weapons that we sell around the world and see something great?
How is it you can look at regulators as the villains that they are, then turn and look at the police and military service as if they are all angels? I'm not saying all soldiers are criminals, but many of them at the core are just in it for the paycheck and the college money. And yes, whether you like to admit it or not the military is going to draw sociopaths and violent people because there is lots of blood to be spilled and some people like that.
You have to be incredibly ignorant to believe that vile people somehow avoid the military.
I used to be a neo-conservative who believed in the Bush wars. Questioning government on everything and losing the contradictory belief that the nanny state was bad but big brother is good is how I ended up where I am now.
The politicians you sorts elect won't do what you want, just like Obama doesn't do what his fellows want. They won't be consistently fiscally conservative. They won't get rid of the debt. They won't slow or repeal entitlement spending. And the reasons they won't do these things is because it will be politically expedient for them not to do it, and the bigger the state the more power they have over everyone.
An excellent post
I really liked this whole post. Good job! I always knew something was wrong with that kook but you said it very eloquently and better than I ever could. Thanks
Were you not hugged?
Dear Mr. Brahmsen,
Did you know that many of those vehemently opposed to gays are repressed homosexuals themselves?
It leads me to believe that in your heart of hearts, you admire Ron Paul, yet you are unable to give in to freedom because of a distant, repressive voice from your past telling you to "grow up" and "act responsibly."
Also, as a journalist, I was appalled to see your discriminatory language re: the mentally disabled, and I quote you, "But just try and calm down with the retarded drama; it is unbecoming of a grown-up male."
Again, why do people who oppose Ron Paul all feel some pathological need to be perceived as "grown-up?"
Makes me think that deep down inside of you, there's a frightened little boy waving an American flag.
Hopefully I never have to write a hit piece about you, but if I do, I'm not worried. You've spewed enough ignorance in this article to end your career. Luckily for you, no one reads your articles.
For liberty,
Tim
P.S. Noticed the Reagan banner at the top of the site... did you know that Reagan endorsed Ron Paul?
Even if Paul is an
Even if Paul is an "extremist" this may be what America needs (then again maybe we will flip the car over). Imagine going toward a cliff in a car and someone sees a warning sign and says "start turning, start turning" several miles away from the cliff. Then everyone in the car puts a hand on the wheel and begins pulling the car to the left and right. Then the driver presses the gas pedal to the floor. Do you think this is the way it should be or should we make a big turn? The cliff is getting closer.
The comments are priceless!!
You can tell this is a great article because the author really struck a nerve with all the Ron Paul zealots!!
>>> Submitted by Tim Johnson (not verified) on Mon, 2011-07-25 17:39.
Is the above comment even serious? I can't tell if it is a skilled troll doing a wonderful parody, or a serious Ron Paul supporter.
Either way, it is priceless. Well done, sir.
HAHAHAHA
Seems that you are mad because LRC prints the truth. I challenge you to rebut this article for your next assignment! Good Luck!
http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo211.html
Ron Paul hit piece FAIL
Sorry but your Neo-Con ideas are the thing of the past and are a part of the problem. The idea of policing the world for the benefit of the NWO machine is bankrupt. Your establishment chosen ones want a national ID cards, Patriot Act, and CFR/FED control over the world. Yes, I said it. The scheme to control the money supply and subjugate the American populace is ending. Your establishment candidates are going to lose and lose badly. Your establishment crony corporatism and it's control over the media has failed to black out Dr. Paul. No more shall we spend American money to build crony corrupt governments around the world in order to gain access for material exploits and power to the Bilderberg Group and their associate entities throughout the world.
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